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Old 09-13-2008, 07:44 PM
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Re: Quaker Question (not the oatmeal!)

Maybe this might be of some help.http://www.nairnquakers.org/what.htm
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Maybe this might be of some help.http://www.nairnquakers.org/what.htm
The main thing I am trying to compare is the "Early American" Anti-ritualistic, Quakers, not modern day quakers. They believed that one could have a very personal relationship with God and that He made Himself manifest, however because of their beliefs they were scorned by society and Pennsylvania was basically set up as a refuge for the persecuted "friends"
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Re: Quaker Question (not the oatmeal!)

In the paper I am using the Asuza street revival as the begininning of "Modern Pentecostalism"

There are many tie-ins, I will keep y'all posted (pun intended!)
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Hey Family,

Well AFF has had to take a bit of a back burner in my life, as I have started back to work and back to my own school work. However I NEED YOU! please do not think I am a fair weather friend, but instead think of me like the college student who comes home for toilet paper and cup 'o soup.

I am writing a paper comparing the similiarities between Early American Quakers (Georger Fox, William Penn) to modern day Pentecostals. Does anyone have any info on this? I have found some interesting things, but I know there are some who are way smarter than me on here...

Here are some points I have begun to make:

*Early Quakers and modern Pentecostals both felt that their “religion” went beyond the confines of a Sunday morning worship service.
*Early Quakers and modern Pentecostals put a strong reliance of prayer.
*Early Quakers and modern Pentecostals both have (had) an outward expression of the presence of the Lord (i.e, lift hands, ‘quaking’, glossololia)
*Both have been scorned by society (Current Pentecostals have not had their tongues bored, however after the fact that Sarah Palin was said to be an Assembly of God Pentecostal, she suffered some negative publicity for it)
*Both are viewed by society to be extreme (fanatical) in their views



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I have done this in a brief comparision of the early Radical Reformers and the modern Pentecostal movement. It was published in the Pentecostal Herald in 2006. The Quackers are often included in the Anabaptist/Radical Reformers.
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I have done this in a brief comparision of the early Radical Reformers and the modern Pentecostal movement. It was published in the Pentecostal Herald in 2006. The Quackers are often included in the Anabaptist/Radical Reformers.
Ya got a link to that??
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Re: Quaker Question (not the oatmeal!)

Here is a little article I wrote. It was published in the Pentecostal Herald in Sept. 2005

“Radical Reformers”

The Minister was responding to questions regarding
Matthew 28:19,

“From this it must not be understood that there are
three beings, or three persons, much less that there
are three Gods in Heaven.”

Certainly this is a man who is not embracing the
historical creeds as this statement alone would label
him as an “unorthodox” preacher, if not a heretic.
His audience includes new converts to the faith as
well as youth from within the movement. At risk of
alienating himself even further from the mainstream
Christianity of the day the Bishop continued,

“ But these names are differently expressed in
consideration of the work of redemption and the
salvation of the human race; as, the Father, the
origin; the Son, the means of redemption; and the Holy
Ghost, sanctification and confirmation in salvation"

“For, although it is said by some men, that there are
three independent Persons or Beings in the Godhead,
and therefore say further: “God the Father, God the
Son, and God the Holy Ghost,” yet we do not find such
expressions in Holy Scripture.”

Is this a modern day Pentecostal, giving a defense for
the Oneness of the Godhead?
Or perhaps an early Pentecostal discussing the “New
Issue”?

No. It was more than two centuries prior to the New
Issue debate. The man is Gerhard Roosen (1612-1711), a
prominent Mennonite bishop in Northern Germany. His
writings were recorded in Chistliches
Gemueths-Gespraech , the later, English version is in
a book titled Saving Faith which included other
Anabaptist/Mennonite Articles of Faith as well. To
this day the book is used in instruction for youth and
others seeking membership with the Old Order Mennonite
Church.

They were called the Radical Reformers, rejecting not
only the Papal authority of the Catholic Church but,
the infant Baptism of the Lutherans as well. Known
for their insistence on a “believers baptism” their
enemies labeled them as re-baptizers, or “Anabaptist”.
For this they suffered persecution at the hands of
Catholics and Reformers alike.

Such famous men as Luther and Zwingli called them
heretics. Unlike the Anabaptists’ nonresistance,
Luther and Zwingli defended their teaching with the
sword and the new Radical Reformers faced great
persecution. Thousands were burned and drowned by the
religious men of the day. Adhering to a quite
literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount the
Anabaptists were known to love and pray for those who
hated them. Many of their captors were converted by
their incredible acts of kindness in the face of cruelty
and torture.

While the early Anabaptists did not all reject the
doctrine of the Trinity entirely, they did reject the
creeds and insisted on using only the scripture as a
basis for doctrine. This led many to question the
veracity of such a dogma and statements like Roosens’
were not uncommon in early Anabaptist teaching.

A strict lifestyle of holiness was taught and expected
among Anabaptist groups and one who was born again was
expected to give himself to a life of non-conformity,
separation and humility.

It has been said that the Pentecostal holiness
churches of today have their roots in the Anabaptist
movement. Not only in some doctrine and lifestyle,
but the zeal found in the Apostolic Pentecostal
movement may certainly be a mirror reflection of those
Radical Reformers in 16th and 17th centuries.

A former Old Order Mennonite, Stephen, his wife Kristin
and three daughters attend -----------------, Mo.
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Hey Family,

Well AFF has had to take a bit of a back burner in my life, as I have started back to work and back to my own school work. However I NEED YOU! please do not think I am a fair weather friend, but instead think of me like the college student who comes home for toilet paper and cup 'o soup.

I am writing a paper comparing the similiarities between Early American Quakers (Georger Fox, William Penn) to modern day Pentecostals. Does anyone have any info on this? I have found some interesting things, but I know there are some who are way smarter than me on here...

That would be you Mr. Hoover! Thanks a bunch!
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Now the Shakers an offshoot of the Quakers were MUCH more into manifesting the supernatural move of God such as dancing in the spirit and tongues, prophecy dreams and visions.
They held to a more dual nature of the Godhead as father and mother which of course in the various attributes of God those traits are present
My husband and I just went to the Shaker Village in Harrodsburg KY last weekend. I learned a LOT about "Mother Anne". VERY INTERESTING. Anne Lee actually was put in jail, I THINK, in England and while there she wrote that The Spirit of God came upon her. Sound familiar? Anyway, she NEVER made the claim that she was The Christ in Female Form, BUT, after her death this apparently became one of their core beliefs.

Their "real" name is United Brethren of the Second Coming. They believe that Mother Anne was the Second Coming and lived communally because they believed they were living in the 1000 year reign.

I could go on and on. It really is an interesting religion.

Yep! They were called "Shaking Quakers" and got PRET-TY wild! But, in later years calmed down a bit. Probably because they were getting OLDER!

Anyway, sorry to go on and on. Good Luck on your paper!

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