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11-01-2008, 03:38 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
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Hey, my owns the laptop I'm using, it's belongs to here, sure it can work the same for TV.  |
Very true, but the UPCI has not taken a stand against internet as they have for a minister having a tv.
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11-01-2008, 03:41 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
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Very true, but the UPCI has not taken a stand against internet as they have for a minister having a tv.
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I'm sorry I mistyped I meant my wife owns a laptop and it's hers so the same could said about TV. Refering to how someone can play semantics with saying they don't own a TV but their wife does.
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11-01-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
I understand, but the manual is very clear on what it states.
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11-01-2008, 03:43 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
I will check back later, have a death call to make.
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11-01-2008, 03:50 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
Who needs a TV when you have this wonderful thing called the internet. Who wants to flip the switch on when you can just go to your local computer and find all the neat stuff going on in your local church community, right on the internet. So much more can happen and keep good people busy. 
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11-01-2008, 04:43 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
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Easy, have your wife buy it and say it's hers.
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That is a cop out and a lot are using it...
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If the above is true, then pastors ought not be surprised or disappointed when saints use the same kind of tap dancing regarding whatever standards issue they may want to get away with. Wouldn't it be fair? "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap?"
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11-01-2008, 05:13 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
We've been over this before. They call a television a monitor. Legalism is a wonderful thing..... not!!!!!!!!!
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I relize I may get blasted by many or ignored for starting this thread.
This thread is not about standards but about telling the truth.
If you are a licensed minister with the UPCI and have a televison PLEASE explain your stanch on it.
I do not have a current manual, but am aware of what is stated in the 2006 manual, Article VII, Section 7, #31, under Ministry.
As of 2007 the application for a license still had the question, do you have a televison?
How can one preach the truth yet live a lie?
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11-01-2008, 05:17 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
True story: A minister in the church I pastor, who was in the UPC at the time was getting ordained. Honestly, he put down that he did have a TV on his ordination application. The Presbyter called and asked him about it and said, "You don't really have a TV do you?" The minister replied that he did. The Presbyter said, "No, you really don't have a TV right?" The minister said that he was looking right at it in his living room. The Presbyter replied, "No, you really don't have a TV. What you have is a monitor. I will change your application to reflect that you do, indeed have a monitor." The minister told him that he could call it whatever he wanted but that it was, in fact a TV.
No more questions were asked and the minister was ordained in UPCI. Don't think for a moment that all the District and National officials follow the manual to the letter. They most certainly don't. Maybe they need to enact a more strict Affirmation Statement for the officials. I'm sure that would rid the org of the liberals! 
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11-01-2008, 06:11 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
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We've been over this before. They call a television a monitor. Legalism is a wonderful thing..... not!!!!!!!!!
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Why?
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11-01-2008, 06:20 PM
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Re: UPCI Ministers and Televison
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True story: A minister in the church I pastor, who was in the UPC at the time was getting ordained. Honestly, he put down that he did have a TV on his ordination application. The Presbyter called and asked him about it and said, "You don't really have a TV do you?" The minister replied that he did. The Presbyter said, "No, you really don't have a TV right?" The minister said that he was looking right at it in his living room. The Presbyter replied, "No, you really don't have a TV. What you have is a monitor. I will change your application to reflect that you do, indeed have a monitor." The minister told him that he could call it whatever he wanted but that it was, in fact a TV.
No more questions were asked and the minister was ordained in UPCI. Don't think for a moment that all the District and National officials follow the manual to the letter. They most certainly don't. Maybe they need to enact a more strict Affirmation Statement for the officials. I'm sure that would rid the org of the liberals! |
I have more respect for the man that did not lie than that for the Presbyter who used a play on words. I agree they should have a strict Affirmation Statement for the officials.
You know what hurts the most. I was raised in the UPCI and would hold licenses in it today except I could not / would not tell that lie. I love the UPCI, but it hurts me to see and know several ministers who will do wrong and a blind eye by others be turned to it. Where is their love for the truth. They say they stand for the Word of God. I've talked to a few and they say it's for the better good. I must ask, where does this thinking come from?
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