The dangers of not having a Pastor in your Life... - Page 2

Digging4Truth · #11 11-05-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

What does the passage of scripture say to you?

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For the army of the Syrians came with a small company of men, and the LORD delivered a very great host into their hand,

God did that...

Because they did this...

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because they had forsaken the LORD God of their fathers. So they executed judgment against Joash.

I'm not saying that we don't need the ministry of the Lord in our lives (Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers & Pastors) because we all certainly do.

A few of the faults I find in your synopsis are...

1. Why wouldn't the same thing say we need Apostles in our life? Prophets in our life? Teachers in our life? Evangelists in our life? What we need is accountability and ministry from the many sources God has blessed the church with. All of us.

2. There are methods of delivery of Gods word of which I have mentioned a few in point 1. The problem wasn't that they didn't have the method in their life. The problem was that, in spite of the methods God used... they never listened.

To take a portion of scripture like this where someone failed to obey Gods clear voice because of their own rebellion and then make an assertion that the main point is that you need a pastor seems to be taking a little bit of poetic license IMO.

revrandy · #12 11-05-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

God did that...

Because they did this...

I'm not saying that we don't need the ministry of the Lord in our lives (Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers & Pastors) because we all certainly do.

A few of the faults I find in your synopsis are...

1. Why wouldn't the same thing say we need Apostles in our life? Prophets in our life? Teachers in our life? Evangelists in our life? What we need is accountability and ministry from the many sources God has blessed the church with. All of us.

I personally think one man can fulfill all the areas of ministry you listed... also we do need those ministries in our lives... the Apostles...Prophets...and Evangelists I do know are mostly travellers... the Pastors are usually stationary... thereby making a deeper impact on our daily lives...

2. There are methods of delivery of Gods word of which I have mentioned a few in point 1. The problem wasn't that they didn't have the method in their life. The problem was that, in spite of the methods God used... they never listened.

The importance of sound spiritual advice in important in our daily lives...
They listened to the wrong voices....
(TLV)
17 But after Jehoiada’s death, the leaders of Judah came and bowed before King Joash and persuaded him to listen to their advice. 18 They decided to abandon the Temple of the Lord, the God of their ancestors, and they worshiped Asherah poles and idols instead! Because of this sin, divine anger fell on Judah and Jerusalem. 19 Yet the Lord sent prophets to bring them back to him. The prophets warned them, but still the people would not listen.

To take a portion of scripture like this where someone failed to obey Gods clear voice because of their own rebellion and then make an assertion that the main point is that you need a pastor seems to be taking a little bit of poetic license IMO.

There is one interpreation but many applications.....I think the point is the Role a Good Pastor can affect in one's life....

Digging4Truth · #13 11-05-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

There is one interpreation but many applications.....I think the point is the Role a Good Pastor can affect in one's life....

Could be.

To me the point is that after being sent messenger after messenger they still didn't listen and God brought appropriate judgment on them because of the failure to listen. They had multiple "pastors". They just didn't listen to them.

But... that's just me.

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I personally think one man can fulfill all the areas of ministry you listed... also we do need those ministries in our lives... the Apostles...Prophets...and Evangelists I do know are mostly travellers... the Pastors are usually stationary... thereby making a deeper impact on our daily lives...

Again.. could be... But God's word says there were "some" apostles, "some" prophets etc. One man could probably fulfill all of these but it would probably be a better scenario if there were several of each around rather than one being several. That appears to be what the original layout was.

Many of these are traveling ministries in this day and age but that probably has a lot to do with the local church's thoughts about these ministries and their operation.

I would think that the office of the apostle would, in and of itself, be a naturally traveling ministry. The others do not seem as though, in their original context, they would be naturally mobile although they have taken that on in this day and age.

revrandy · #14 11-05-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Could be.

To me the point is that after being sent messenger after messenger they still didn't listen and God brought appropriate judgment on them because of the failure to listen.

But... that's just me.

I do agree...but that fact is those that were sent were Ministers of God...

Priest...

Prophet....

If Joash would have heeded to Jehoiada’s successor (which seemed to be his son) maybe the end of the Historical account might have been different...

ILG · #15 11-05-2008, 02:39 PM

Somebody should maybe start a thread "The Dangers of Having a Pastor in your Life".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Digging4Truth · #16 11-05-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I do agree...but that fact is those that were sent were Ministers of God...

Priest...

Prophet....

If Joash would have heeded to Jehoiada’s successor (which seemed to be his son) maybe the end of the Historical account might have been different...

Absolutely...

When we heed God's words to us our lives generally take a much better direction.

revrandy · #17 11-05-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Somebody should maybe start a thread "The Dangers of Having a Pastor in your Life".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Wait on it.....Wait on it.....

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The facts are true I think that there is enough Pastor Bashing around here...

We need some Pastor Support.....Ministry Uplifting.....

Tyk · #18 11-05-2008, 02:48 PM

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/upc.htm#V

Has been posted before so im not the first.

Good info, and pretty well researched and thought out. Long read though

revrandy · #19 11-05-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyk

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/upc.htm#V

Has been posted before so im not the first.

Good info, and pretty well researched and thought out. Long read though

Is this where you want this thread to go??

deltaguitar · #20 11-05-2008, 02:57 PM

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Nope a Pastor is a good thing to have in your Life.... Mentoring...Leadership...Direction... Protection...

Many good things....

Joash had Jehoiada for spiritual guidance...

and the Bible says:

And Joash did that which was right in the sight of the LORD all the days of Jehoiada the priest.

Joash had a good influence in his Life...

So how do you find such a pastor? There is one viable UPC church within 60 miles of where I live and I doubt this guy could have any relevant meaning in my life. So what do I do?

Maybe head over to the local Baptist or COG because they have some great pastors. Maybe I will just stick with my Pastor even though God led him charismatic.