Do we serve a "gotchya!" God?

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by Shawn

what's that mean?

It means that Randy is scoffing at HG infilling, with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

-Bro. Alex

[Shawn]

That was quite far from what I experienced or had seen.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

It means that Randy is scoffing at HG infilling, with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

-Bro. Alex

Quite the contrary. I am scoffing at what modern pentecostal culture (over the past 100 years) has turned holy ghost infilling into. And think of all those who HAVE been filled yet think they have not because a minister has told them as much.

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Yes. Baptism is the entrance into the Covenant (along with HG infilling). Some will not reach perfection, but Christ will bring them along the rest of the way thru. But should you not obey the first commands of Repent and be baptized, and if you don't receive the promise of the HG, then you're not even within the boundaries of the Covenant.

-Bro. Alex

Exactly. Yes, God demands perfection, and we attain that through the covering blood of Christ...If you're not baptized, you don't have the blood applied to your life.

God IS merciful, longsuffering, kind...He is also Holy and Just and Righteous...he won't violate His word to fulfill someone's idea that God is ONLY loving and kind.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You've never been at an alter and seen the pastor or minister shake someones head so hard and shout so loud while doing it, that a few "unintelligible" words came out, at which it was loudly proclaimed that "They got it!"?

I know what you mean, I have seen it and the tragedy about it is that the poor soul that believes what the Pastor says has no real proof for them self that they have been filled with the Holy Ghost.I've seen shaking ,rocking and even the 'pastor' saying Ba,BA,BA. to try to prime someone to speak in tounges.The bible way how ever is laying on of hands if any contact at all. Peter preached and the Spirit fell on those that heard and they spoke in tounges.How foolish we are at times.Once again tradition has superceeded TRUTH.We should focus on trying to get the person to open up his soul to God ,praise God with them and if they truely worship then they will speak in tounges as the Spirit gives the utterance.

[Truthseeker]

Gods not struggling to save anyone.

[Brad Murphy]

Some of us cannot even see God through all of the rules and regulations... it is just a religion of the god of "Don't"... and you get more points the more things that you can think of to make rules against. The person with the most rules wins... Whoopie!

Reading some of the people's posts, it seems that they are excited when they find something new to preach against (except for the internet - it has a divine exception)... it may actually be easier to make a list of things that are NOT wrong... let's see:

Eating (definitely first on the list)
Shopping for church clothes
Reading the Bible (at least 4 hours a day)
Church (never enough church - Glooooorrraaaay!)
Prayer (at least 4 hours a day)
Sleeping (in moderation)
Work (only enough to barely support your family, and have a wardrobe about two paygrades above your actual income... anything else would be greed)
Thinking (only within the safe boundaries that the pastor allows, and only if you have time left over from the items above it on the list... if you do have time to think, you are probably not doing something else on the list often enough...)

Pretty much anything beyond this list falls into the "glorifying self" category.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Some of us cannot even see God through all of the rules and regulations... it is just a religion of the god of "Don't"... and you get more points the more things that you can think of to make rules against. The person with the most rules wins... Whoopie!

Reading some of the people's posts, it seems that they are excited when they find something new to preach against (except for the internet - it has a divine exception)... it may actually be easier to make a list of things that are NOT wrong... let's see:

Eating (definitely first on the list)
Shopping for church clothes
Reading the Bible (at least 4 hours a day)
Church (never enough church - Glooooorrraaaay!)
Prayer (at least 4 hours a day)
Sleeping (in moderation)
Work (only enough to barely support your family, and have a wardrobe about two paygrades above your actual income... anything else would be greed)
Thinking (only within the safe boundaries that the pastor allows, and only if you have time left over from the items above it on the list... if you do have time to think, you are probably not doing something else on the list often enough...)

Pretty much anything beyond this list falls into the "glorifying self" category.

OK.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by iceniez

I know what you mean, I have seen it and the tragedy about it is that the poor soul that believes what the Pastor says has no real proof for them self that they have been filled with the Holy Ghost.I've seen shaking ,rocking and even the 'pastor' saying Ba,BA,BA. to try to prime someone to speak in tounges.The bible way how ever is laying on of hands if any contact at all. Peter preached and the Spirit fell on those that heard and they spoke in tounges.How foolish we are at times.Once again tradition has superceeded TRUTH.We should focus on trying to get the person to open up his soul to God ,praise God with them and if they truely worship then they will speak in tounges as the Spirit gives the utterance.

This is also the reason that people who are told they have just received it are also told "Now remember, the devil will try to convince you that you haven't got it!". After such an experience, and once the emotions have calmed, most people WILL start to realize what happened and doubts will set in.
The bible so clearly states that the Holy Ghost is GIVEN freely and without condition (other than perhaps repentance). Some would say that baptism is required but many can point to receiving it BEFORE baptism. We have turned it into something that must be sought after! Something by which we need to learn to "relax our tongues and let the words flow!" at an alter. The TONGUES, to many, are now what saves. Any by golly, it has just turned into a "check the box off" on a growing list!

[Cindy]

No, we do not serve an I gotcha God.