Now this is what i call relevant!!! - Page 2

staysharp · #1 12-09-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Social Movement - check
Good Things Produced - check
How to be a Good Human Being - check
How to help your community - check
Doctrine/Truth - whoops! No biggie... so many others checks, this one isn't thatimportant.

I do like their website though. Very "user friendly"

If you know Jesus, you know truth. Truth is a person, not a debatable subjective doctrine. If you follow Jesus, you will never be led astray.

bishoph · #2 12-09-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

http://www.newspring.cc/

These folks started out 8 years ago with 15 people in a bible study and now have 8000. Their services are awesome and they teach the bible not a bunch of hype.

With all due respect.........why do we applaud those who do not preach truth. So what if they went from 15/115 or 1015 to over 8000 in just 8 short years, we should morn the fact that this many people are being deceived, and made a two-fold child of hell!

BTW, since it was stated that "they teach the Bible not a bunch of hype," IMO the may be teaching a lot of biblical principles and concepts, but like so many before them, they only teach what they consider relevant and leave the more weightier matters out. These they should have done, but not left the other undone.

Call me an UC or whatever label you desire, but since when are we willing to just disregard the scriptures and make every "believer" a saved, heaven-bound Christian. If this is what relevant means, please count me out.

Carpenter · #3 12-09-2008, 05:59 PM

The longer I am on this earth, the more I study, and the more I learn, the more I observe, and the more I strive to know the things of God, his nature, his manifestation, and his personality, I am finding the less I know.

It was fun before because I was able to stand rock-solid on my statement of faith.

Now it's all messed up, maybe the Catholics had it right keeping the word of God from their people...

mizpeh · #4 12-09-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter

The longer I am on this earth, the more I study, and the more I learn, the more I observe, and the more I strive to know the things of God, his nature, his manifestation, and his personality, I am finding the less I know.

It was fun before because I was able to stand rock-solid on my statement of faith.

Now it's all messed up, maybe the Catholics had it right keeping the word of God from their people...

I read some interesting things by an ex Catholic today that I think would be a good reply to your last statement, Carp:

"The people, in power, decide who and what is heresy. If you don't stay in line, you can be branded a heretik! Is it too hard to believe that a church, which claims to be the only one with the truth, and controls more than a third of the world's professing christians, has been corrupt, since the day its top man claimed to sit upon the throne of Christ, on earth , and speak with authority equal with God, and has burnt, at the stake, ten thousand times ten thousand Genuine believers, Calling THEM heretiks?
Might appears to make right! Church fathers were inspired? Or writers of Scripture were inspired? Who would you rather believe.
Christ is the corner-stone, and the Apostles and Prophets were the foundation. The Church-Fathers (those who knew or came soon after the apostles) had no more God-given authority to interpret and impose their beliefs upon the Church, than do I. And I do not make such a claim. God's Word and God's Spirit will guide me, and it is to God alone, to whom I must give an account, And only God's Word can bind my conscience! I do, and have considered the beliefs and teachings of those who went before me, but they are not, by any means, my authorities.
Having said all that, can any of you point out any of my statements that would be considered "heretical" by most, here?"

And......

"the fact that many have mis-used and twisted scripture, is no reason to let someone else do all my theological thinking, for me. I was taught, by the RCC, that if I followed their teaching, which eventually might turn out to be in error (tho that would be impossible), that I would not be held accountable for obeying their wrong doctrine. However, if I should start reading the Bible and come up with other doctrines, THEN I would be responsible for my errors and for departing from the one, true church! Boy! talk about making puppets... teaching someone that they were not responsible to God.
There are others from EO and Lutheranism, for instance, who apparently, never, question their church's teachings, or compare them to scripture. Might some of them be avoiding the Reality of their responsibility before God, and attempting to shift that responsibility to their "Fathers", who gladly accept the respect, power, and glory, that their members heap upon them?"

A_PoMo · #5 12-09-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

With all due respect.........why do we applaud those who do not preach truth. So what if they went from 15/115 or 1015 to over 8000 in just 8 short years, we should morn the fact that this many people are being deceived, and made a two-fold child of hell!

BTW, since it was stated that "they teach the Bible not a bunch of hype," IMO the may be teaching a lot of biblical principles and concepts, but like so many before them, they only teach what they consider relevant and leave the more weightier matters out. These they should have done, but not left the other undone.

Call me an UC or whatever label you desire, but since when are we willing to just disregard the scriptures and make every "believer" a saved, heaven-bound Christian. If this is what relevant means, please count me out.

A two-fold child of hell? Come on! Lighten up. How many people are being infected with the poison of legalism? That sword cuts both ways brother.

bishoph · #6 12-09-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

A two-fold child of hell? Come on! Lighten up. How many people are being infected with the poison of legalism? That sword cuts both ways brother.

I agree with you, however, I believe a person who has been "saved" according to the scripture, can make it to heaven from a legalistic environement, while those who have been sold a false "truth" are lost without Christ.

A_PoMo · #7 12-09-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I agree with you, however, I believe a person who has been "saved" according to the scripture, can make it to heaven from a legalistic environement, while those who have been sold a false "truth" are lost without Christ.

Really? Is that what Paul said?

That sword cuts both ways too brother. Salvation isn't about theology, it's about faith and relationship.

Jermyn Davidson · #8 12-09-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Really? Is that what Paul said?

That sword cuts both ways too brother. Salvation isn't about theology, it's about faith and relationship.

Yes and No.

One must believe on Jesus as the scriptures say.

JW's and others deny Him.

I'd say many more deny Him with their lifestyle.

Lord, have mercy on me. Have mercy on Your people.

Straight is the gate and narrow is the way.

But simply being an ultra-conservative Apostolic is not a sure ticket to Heaven either.

Kings Kid · #9 12-09-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

http://www.newspring.cc/

These folks started out 8 years ago with 15 people in a bible study and now have 8000. Their services are awesome and they teach the bible not a bunch of hype.

I have heard about this church .I read a very a interesting news interview that their pastor gave to a local t.v. Station.If you would like to check out the interveiw it was done by wyff.