Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

[COOPER]

[QUOTE=mfblume;63233]Firstfruits were for priests in the OT and tithes for the Levites.

All Levites were not priests. Aaron's lineage was only one lineage in the Levites. His lineage was priestly.

Firstfruits are something God can bless us in, but one has to learn about them now.

Tithing is not LAW, but it is a way God can bless us. People make the mistake of going too far both ways -- no tithes or tithes demanded legalistically.

We still give, but it leaves DUTY to come to OPPORTUNITY now.[/
QUOTE]

Americans love to give, Billions were given to the recent disasters.

It seems that would be helping thy neighbor.

If you gave to them, you gave to God?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Unfortunately there are too many non-prophet organizations.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Americans love to give, Billions were given to the recent disasters.

It seems that would be helping thy neighbor.

If you gave to them, you gave to God?

Sure! But giving to God's work is also involved. ANY sacrifice as unto the Lord is giving. 1 Cor 9 is all about ministry supported by the saints financially. We cannot do one and leave the other neglected. Vice versa, too.

[Steve Epley]

From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.

It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.

while Paul, "the apostle of the uncircumcision," usually travelled as a missionary among the Gentiles (Gal. 2:8). It was characteristic of the apostles and necessary (1) that they should have seen the Lord, and been able to testify of him and of his resurrection from personal knowledge (John 15:27; Acts 1:21, 22; 1 Cor. 9:1; Acts 22:14, 15).

(2.) They must have been immediately called to that office by Christ (Luke 6:13; Gal. 1:1).

(3.) It was essential that they should be infallibly inspired, and thus secured against all error and mistake in their public teaching, whether by word or by writing (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 Thess. 2:13).

(4.) Another qualification was the power of working miracles (Mark 16:20; Acts 2:43; 1 Cor. 12:8-11). The apostles therefore could have had no successors. They are the only authoritative teachers of the Christian doctrines. The office of an apostle ceased with its first holders. In 2 Cor. 8:23 and Phil. 2:25 the word "messenger" is the rendering of the same Greek word, elsewhere rendered "apostle."

Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

[COOPER]

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source a·pos·tle (ə-pŏs'əl) Pronunciation Key
n.

Apostle One of a group made up especially of the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach the gospel.
A missionary of the early Christian Church.
A leader of the first Christian mission to a country or region.
One who pioneers an important reform movement, cause, or belief: an apostle of conservation.
A passionate adherent; a strong supporter.
One of the 12 members of the administrative council in the Mormon Church.

One who pioneers an important reform movement, cause, or belief: an apostle of conservation.
A passionate adherent; a strong supporter.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by COOPER

It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.

Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn.

[Coonskinner]

Coop discussing the fivefold ministry is like Mike Tyson discussing plastic surgery.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn.

Good post, and exactly right.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coop discussing the fivefold ministry is like Mike Tyson discussing plastic surgery.

I do not care what you think Coon.

I make a valid argument and you try to imply I am an idiot.

Lots of respect for you oh man of God... not.

You represent your society well. It's expected of your kind.