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01-01-2009, 09:01 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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OK, then a disproportionate number of older females are in our pews??
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yes, and mainly 2nd and 3rd generation OP's We are missing "new" women.
Women who would be in love with Jesus, but can't see the forrest for the trees.
Our standards are a stubling block we throw in front of peopel trying to find there way to Jesus.
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01-01-2009, 09:03 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
I think three things:
1) I don't think this is JUST a UPC thing. I think that if you look in most churches today, you will find a disproportionate amount of women vs. men. Not all, but most
2) I know this won't be a popular opinion and I may take some flak for saying it. But I really do think that in SOME cases, there are pastors who are very bold leaders. Sometimes very charismatic individuals. Sometimes just tyrants. Either way, it is unfortunately, too easy for people, especially women, to be sucked in under the leadership of just such an individual. It's almost as if they come, check things out and before they know it, they are mired in quicksand and can't figure out how to think for themselves so they can make their own choices. Sadly, for some women, it is very easy to intimidate them. Just tell them, "You have to follow me because that's what the Bible says and you sure don't want to go to Hell." and they will follow you to the ends of the earth.
3) The other reason I have known women to stay at a church is because they are so infatuated with the pastor they couldn't consider leaving. He dresses nice, combs his hair nice, smells nice, leads by making them feel like they are indispensible........... Who would want to leave that?
Now please don't think that I am saying that ALL women who go to a UPC church fall into any of these categories. NOT AT ALL!!! I believe there are also women who are very sincere in their love for the Lord and their walk with Him. And they truly believe that living the lifestyle called for in the UPC is what it takes to please the Lord. And that is their highest desire in life. Those women I honor. They are following their own convictions and walking their own walk with the Lord.
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01-02-2009, 08:55 AM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??
I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered.  |
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01-02-2009, 05:50 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??
I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered. |
Ain't no way!!!!! 
Uh, never mind, I'm not UPC........
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01-03-2009, 10:44 AM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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Fair enough. So then there would be an influx of women if further adjustments were made regarding standards??
I think at some point we need to seriously consider the lawfulness of multiple wives then, because the men are already outnumbered. |
Does your current wife read this forum? Should we start prying for your safety and perhaps healing now? 
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01-03-2009, 05:45 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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Does your current wife read this forum? Should we start prying for your safety and perhaps healing now? |
Who do you think you are asking such probing questions? I don't even know you. Now you are on "ignore"!
just kidding...
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01-03-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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Who do you think you are asking such probing questions? I don't even know you. Now you are on "ignore"!
just kidding...
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Would you ignore me if I got a hat like yours? 
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01-01-2009, 08:47 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
On another note... the UPC has more female licensed ministers than the Southern Baptists with their 16,000,000 US constituents...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-01-2009, 09:28 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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On another note... the UPC has more female licensed ministers than the Southern Baptists with their 16,000,000 US constituents...
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I don't think all Southern Baptists allow and/or license women ministers.
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01-01-2009, 10:30 PM
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Re: UPC Driving the Women Away?
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I don't think all Southern Baptists allow and/or license women ministers.
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...sounds like the Southern Baptists are repelling women then...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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