A Time to Rebel - Page 2

mizpeh · #11 02-09-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

That's unscriptural?

We are all brother and sisters in the Lord but we are never instructed to call one another "Brother MrMastermind" or "Sister Quietplace". It's a traditional thing we do but not something commanded for us to do. It sounds strange to the uninitiated.

I don't have a problem with it, but I do have a problem with those who get upset if we don't address each other this way.

Sam · #12 02-09-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Those whom we label patriots the British once called rebels.

The verse most often bandied about by certain conservative cliques is rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft 1 Samuel 15:23. The part not explained is the rebellion is against God, not man governed organizations.

Yes the pastor of the local assembly is to be honored, respected, and unless teaching directly contrary to the Word, followed. But when an organization places tradition on par with scripture, and then refuses to even allow discussion by young ministers how can they not expect either rebellion or mass exodus?

"holy tradition" developed over the years by
position papers
church councils
is on equal par with the "written" Scriptures.

Your local pastor is your bridge to God. You err if you seek to hear from God by circumventing your pastor. If God wishes to give you a message, He will give it to your pastor to pass on to you.

As soon as we learn to submit to "Mother Church" and accept her holy teachings, we will be much better off.

Anyone who resisteth the body of Church teachings, resisteth God, and placeth himself in danger of hellfire, except he repent and resubmit.

Praxeas · #13 02-09-2009, 10:50 PM

And for the rare men whose first name is Sue...Brother Sue is just plain not right!

MrMasterMind · #14 02-09-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

We are all brother and sisters in the Lord but we are never instructed to call one another "Brother MrMastermind" or "Sister Quietplace". It's a traditional thing we do but not something commanded for us to do. It sounds strange to the uninitiated.

I don't have a problem with it, but I do have a problem with those who get upset if we don't address each other this way.

Being 5th generation Oneness I have always preferred names over titles anyway.

mizpeh · #15 02-09-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Being 5th generation Oneness I have always preferred names over titles anyway.

How about answering this question when you have a moment?

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What's the most offensive thing these young "relevant" ministers are proposing?

jaxfam6 · #16 02-09-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Being 5th generation Oneness I have always preferred names over titles anyway.

AMEN

I was jumped on for not calling my dad and brother by "Bro Jax". I was only a teen and I told the man that they had been my dad and brother LONG before they were my pastor so I felt no need to call them anything different. I even called my brother by his first name from the pulpit one time. Boy that did not go over with some. All he said was, "do you always have to make people mad at you?" I answered, "Yes, if they have to be so ignorant"

I even hear ministers call themselves, Bro so and so, or Pastor so and so, from the platform. When our pastor speaks of himself from during a message he always calls himself by his first name. One of the things I love about him.

MrMasterMind · #17 02-09-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

How about answering this question when you have a moment?

I would answer it if I could.

The truth is I do not know.

What are the transgressions are worthy of being labeled relevant in the Oneness Organizations?

The posters on other websites seem to be long on condemnation and short on specifics themselves.

But yes most of what I have read centers on things like shirt tails out, not addressing in correct titles, worldly beat to their music, choreographed signing or dance, and a real biggy, holding church services outside of "sanctuaries".

It would be nice to hear what other transgressions the young ministers are committing that have the elders in such a lather.

Jermyn Davidson · #18 02-09-2009, 11:32 PM

Are any of these "young ministers" predisposed to viewing the Gospel through PCI eyes, by chance?

Is it impossible to motivate folks to have the same zeal to seek the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues without implying to them that if they don't speak in tongues they will go to hell?

Is it impossible to have church services were people get lost in praise and worship to GOD in churches that don't imply that their adherents will go to hell if they don't speak in tongues?

Is it impossible for us all to just get along within one organization?

If the UPCI was built on a merger, why has the issues of that merger become to be seen as an impediment to growth of the entire organization?

Why can't the PCI oriented Pastors of the UPCI pastor openly as PCI adherents when in their heart, that IS what they believe?

I believe it is God's will for me to be where I am-- not looking to bounce away anytime soon. However, I sure would not want this deep-seated conviction of mine to be the source of confusion in the future.

MrMasterMind · #19 02-10-2009, 09:01 AM

From my understanding some are "one-steppers" some are not.

A lot of the lament being raised by those in authority is limited to either the slippery slope doctrine (any change will inevitably lead to free thinking, no standards, ecumenical charismatics) or "how dare you question?" In my mind I am not sure the latter is not the greater injustice.

As far as your other points Jermyn, why are those of PCI persuasion disenfranchised and marginalized? It seems apparent that uniformity is far more important than unity. It is just as useless a concept to most as the affirmation statement.

*AQuietPlace* · #20 02-10-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

We are all brother and sisters in the Lord but we are never instructed to call one another "Brother MrMastermind" or "Sister Quietplace". It's a traditional thing we do but not something commanded for us to do. It sounds strange to the uninitiated.

I don't have a problem with it, but I do have a problem with those who get upset if we don't address each other this way.

Oh. I agree. I thought that you were saying that NOT calling each other Bro. and Sis. was unscriptural. I've personally never cared for the Bro. and Sis. stuff. It sounds so odd out in public.