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03-16-2009, 05:40 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Next you will be pointing out some of the old time Pentecostal church sites that use stock photo's of women with makeup and cut hair as if those women are members!
I thnk it is done to make "sinners" feel welcome but I find it an interesting practice.
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Bingo!
Exactly my point!
Why do we do that?
And btw, I could point you to sites like you just mentioned.
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03-16-2009, 05:41 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I think the whole "catch 'em before you clean 'em" motto is revealing.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Is it a hidden agenda?
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Certainly, don't you think?
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03-16-2009, 05:43 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Are you serious?
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Yup. I have seen a few. I don't think they are trying to be duplicitous. Probably just trying to be welcoming to all people. Which actually goes back to what Edwardo Anglican started this thread about - not being totally upfront about a church's stringent dress code requirements.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 05:54 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Easy.
We are constantly fed the garbage that "Holiness is a salvational issue."
If my eternal destiny depends on how I dress, you'd better be telling me so.
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Doesn't the Bible say that we are to, "Perfect holiness?" 
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03-16-2009, 05:56 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Easy.
We are constantly fed the garbage that "Holiness is a salvational issue."
If my eternal destiny depends on how I dress, you'd better be telling me so.
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Interesting point.
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03-16-2009, 05:59 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Next you will be pointing out some of the old time Pentecostal church sites that use stock photo's of women with makeup and cut hair as if those women are members!
I thnk it is done to make "sinners" feel welcome but I find it an interesting practice.
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I've seen a few websites with pictures of smiling women wearing pants...it's also made me laugh as to wonder why churches do this.
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03-16-2009, 06:03 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Ron
Doesn't the Bible say that we are to, "Perfect holiness?" |
If only it had said "perfect dress codes"!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
There's a preacher I heard of who says that when he gets a new convert, he preaches standards hot and heavy for a month. If they're still there when he's done, he knows they've got the right stuff in them.
I don't think much of that approach myself, but if you do believe that standards are salvational, I guess that is the way to go.
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03-16-2009, 06:10 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Is it a hidden agenda?
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In many cases, yes. I think EA has pointed out a real problem that gives Pentecostal/Apostolics a black eye all too often.
People end up feeling betrayed by their friends and "brethren." After bonding they end up being bitterly disposed of if they don't go along. Their "failure to mature" is then attributed to some fault or flaw with their carnal nature.
They end up being told that they are "pig's filth" and "dog vomit" for failing to go along with a set of crazily and haphazardly concocted "holiness standards" that vary even from church to church in the same town.
I ended up wondering if it wouldn't be better if we didn't ecompass land and sea to make a complete stranger twice the child of hell that we are. Then, I found a new and better way.
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03-16-2009, 06:11 PM
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Tired of it.
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by soldoutochrist
I've seen a few websites with pictures of smiling women wearing pants...it's also made me laugh as to wonder why churches do this.
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Better than the sites with the smiling women wearing no pants... 
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