Building Faith Or Building Emotions ?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If folks aren't responding like a minister,thinks they should ,should he get frustrated and take it out on the saints ?

My Pastor used to call it spiritual calisthenics.

Example: Why does the preacher take a drink of water after he asked everybody to give up a hand praise.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ILG

Wow, Scott. You said a mouthful!! I think you are right on and this is a very profound thought you brought up here. Not saying people shouldn't praise.....but people praise because they have faith.....they don't manufacture faith by getting pumped up by someone else.

Ditto Scott: good thought. As a worship leader, I put my heart and soul into worship.

I try to say very little between songs. Our praise team leads by example in worshipping God.

I agree with the thought I've seen expressed on this forum before, that there is a difference between praise and worship.

I have witnessed song leaders or pastors try to "work people" into a frenzy.

I've seen folks run the backs off the pews, miss a turn and run thru a sheetrock wall.

I saw two brothers running different directions and meet headfirst, resulting in a huge goose egg and a concussion.

I AM NOT a fan of "ShockaMoo" I've "been there done that" and repented of it.

So much of what we call praise in some of our churches are nothing more than displays of the flesh, saying, "woooohoooo look at me, I really got it."

Sorry, as I know some will be offended by my remarks, but shouting and doing pentecostal two step, is used to much as a gage of someones spiritual condition and that is so sad.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Ditto Scott: good thought. As a worship leader, I put my heart and soul into worship.

I try to say very little between songs. Our praise team leads by example in worshipping God.

I agree witht e thought I've seen expressed on this forum before, that there is a difference between praise and worship.

I have witnessed song leaders or pastors try to "work people" into a frenzy.

I've seen folks run the backs off the pews, miss a turn and run thru a sheetrock wall.

I saw two brothers running different directions and meet headfirst, resulting in a huge goose egg and a concussion.

I AM NOT a fan of "ShockaMoo" I've "been there done that" and repented of it.

So much of what we call prioase in some of our churches are nothing more than displays of the flesh, saying, "woooohoooo look at me, I really got it."

Sorry, as I know some will be offended by my remarks, but shouting and doing pentecostal two step, is used to much as a gage of someones spiritual condition and that is so sad.

Bulls eye!!!! Right on target!!!!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Ditto Scott: good thought. As a worship leader, I put my heart and soul into worship.

I try to say very little between songs. Our praise team leads by example in worshipping God.

I agree with the thought I've seen expressed on this forum before, that there is a difference between praise and worship.

I have witnessed song leaders or pastors try to "work people" into a frenzy.

I've seen folks run the backs off the pews, miss a turn and run thru a sheetrock wall.

I saw two brothers running different directions and meet headfirst, resulting in a huge goose egg and a concussion.

I AM NOT a fan of "ShockaMoo" I've "been there done that" and repented of it.

So much of what we call praise in some of our churches are nothing more than displays of the flesh, saying, "woooohoooo look at me, I really got it."

Sorry, as I know some will be offended by my remarks, but shouting and doing pentecostal two step, is used to much as a gage of someones spiritual condition and that is so sad.

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[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In some churches there seems to be a push to build Christians's emotions epecially during a Praise service or if a Minister seems to think a service is dead ,He'll try to pump folks to Praise.
Shouldn't churches try to build peoples's faith rather than their emotions?

Faith is the substance of things that are hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. When someone worships it may be because of everything is going right or everything is going wrong. I agree with you though, Scott, no cheerleaders should be in our pulpits. However, there are times where the spirit is trying to move and the people are not following after it. I believe in encouragement to worship, but not begging.

Remember faith creates motion and motion creates emotion,and emotions create more faith. It keeps going and going. That is why alot of the time when the praise and worship is going people are standing....they start to move, motion, they start to dance, motion and emotion, and then cry, emotion. So on and so on.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In some churches there seems to be a push to build Christians's emotions epecially during a Praise service or if a Minister seems to think a service is dead ,He'll try to pump folks to Praise.
Shouldn't churches try to build peoples's faith rather than their emotions?

Considering that the heart (the seat of emotions) is, according to scripture, decietful above all things and desperately wicked, our emotions can't be trusted. Whipping people up into an emotional frenzy (by using music style, speed and volume or using preaching style/volume) is a deception because it's not a genuine response that comes from interacting with God but is man-made and, therefore, artificial. If a praise leader or a pastor has to use these kinds of tricks to manipulate a desired response out of the saints, then this is evidence that it is not the Holy Ghost operating in the service.

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Ditto Scott: good thought. As a worship leader, I put my heart and soul into worship.

I try to say very little between songs. Our praise team leads by example in worshipping God.

This is as it should be.

I agree with the thought I've seen expressed on this forum before, that there is a difference between praise and worship.

A BIG difference.

I have witnessed song leaders or pastors try to "work people" into a frenzy.

I've seen folks run the backs off the pews, miss a turn and run thru a sheetrock wall.

I saw two brothers running different directions and meet headfirst, resulting in a huge goose egg and a concussion.

I AM NOT a fan of "ShockaMoo" I've "been there done that" and repented of it.

So much of what we call praise in some of our churches are nothing more than displays of the flesh, saying, "woooohoooo look at me, I really got it."

If it has to be manufactured, if someone has to manipulate people into it, then it is of the flesh and not of God.

Sorry, as I know some will be offended by my remarks, but shouting and doing pentecostal two step, is used to much as a gage of someones spiritual condition and that is so sad.

Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart. What's really in the heart of a person that feels he has to use specific styles of music, the volume and/or speed of the music, or a specific style/volume of preaching in order to manipulate a particular emotional response?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Ditto Scott: good thought. As a worship leader, I put my heart and soul into worship.

I try to say very little between songs. Our praise team leads by example in worshipping God.

I agree with the thought I've seen expressed on this forum before, that there is a difference between praise and worship.

I have witnessed song leaders or pastors try to "work people" into a frenzy.

I've seen folks run the backs off the pews, miss a turn and run thru a sheetrock wall.

I saw two brothers running different directions and meet headfirst, resulting in a huge goose egg and a concussion.

I AM NOT a fan of "ShockaMoo" I've "been there done that" and repented of it.

So much of what we call praise in some of our churches are nothing more than displays of the flesh, saying, "woooohoooo look at me, I really got it."

Sorry, as I know some will be offended by my remarks, but shouting and doing pentecostal two step, is used to much as a gage of someones spiritual condition and that is so sad.

I used to be a worship leader that tried to lead people into a frenzy. But I did do it as well as ask people to do it. I don't think that is nearly so important anymore though.

[Coonskinner]

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son..."

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by ILG

I used to be a worship leader that tried to lead people into a frenzy. But I did do it as well as ask people to do it. I don't think that is nearly so important anymore though.

You got it right with your last sentence. It is not nearly as important. The true worshipers do so in spirit and in truth. Sure Psalms talkes about dancing and singing and rejoicing. I head a minister say once something that will always stick with me. What can God tell you dancing in the spirit that He can not tell you on your face. However, if you are dancing shouting, etc. then make sure you get a word or promise from Him. At the very least make a promise to Him or give Him your word you will follow Him. Words to live by.

Why just dance and move and not get a word. Save the effort. You could always stop spending money to dry clean your suit and dresses and put it toward a gym membership and get a real work out. Even better give it to missions and God will then really bless you.

Disclaimer: I am a shouter and a praiser. Not for the work out but for real worship. Not because of the guitar is loud enough or the lead singer is hitting the right notes. Sure it helps but it is not the reason. Not becuase of a