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Old 06-30-2009, 12:26 PM
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Re: New trend in Apostolic churches???

If someone is breaking into my house, I'll call the police. It's not that I don't trust God to protect me, it's just that he'll sometimes use the police to do it.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:28 PM
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If someone is breaking into my house, I'll call the police. It's not that I don't trust God to protect me, it's just that he'll sometimes use the police to do it.
by the time the police arrive your house would have already been broken into
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:36 PM
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by the time the police arrive your house would have already been broken into
That wasn't my point. We have guns in our house. My point is that using 'force' is not a sign that you believe God can't protect you.

Some people are against carrying guns because they believe that shows a lack of faith, and yet I imagine they would call the police (who have guns) if they were being attacked.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:37 PM
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Re: New trend in Apostolic churches???

One of the networks did a special on this conceal carry issue - specifically with college/university students carrying ...

They had a scenario in which the show had a couple dozen students come into a "class" not knowing who was carrying. During this class, a couple off-duty police officers burst thru the doors, guns blazing. The officers also didn't know who was carrying.

In almost every case ... even with a couple "experienced" gun owners:
1) More than half didn't even get the gun out of the holster before being shot
2) The couple who did clear holster and fire their gun, fired wildly and missed the targets

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Old 06-30-2009, 12:38 PM
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That wasn't my point. We have guns in our house. My point is that using 'force' is not a sign that you believe God can't protect you.

Some people are against carrying guns because they believe that shows a lack of faith, and yet I imagine they would call the police (who have guns) if they were being attacked.
Ah...I see
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:40 PM
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In the case of a gunman methodically going around shooting, those students would hear the shots and be prepared. That scenario would be the same probably for even a seasoned cop
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:43 PM
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Quick note ...
Should a church form a security committee and allow certain persons to conceal carry firearms ... I hope they have good insurance in case any visitor or saint is injured by friendly fire.
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Honest to God, this is true!

I have first-hand knowledge of an Apostolic church where a pastor appointed a "security committee" with men who have concealed carry licenses and is having them carry their concealed weapons to church with them. This, evidently, in response to recent church shootings.

How do you feel about this?

Would you feel safer knowing this to be true?

Would you feel uneasy knowing this to be true?

Is this a symptom of lack of faith in God to fight our battles?

Would you attend a church where you knew this to be the case?

Would this affect you at all or is this just a minor distraction?

Comments please... please don't ask me where this church is or who the pastor is. My goal is not to start trouble for them, but rather to get some different opinions and perspectives.

Thats hellish. Where is the pastors faith?
Why did Peter have to put up his 'legal' sword but this 'commitee' of armed men dont have to?

What a weak fleshy leader!
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:56 PM
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In the case of a gunman methodically going around shooting, those students would hear the shots and be prepared. That scenario would be the same probably for even a seasoned cop
Depends on the size of the college/university. If there are separate buildings, some would never know what happened ... the recent V-Tech shootings had the shooter going to different buildings without the students knowing what was happening, and without the school admin able to lock down the buildings in time.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:57 PM
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Thats hellish. Where is the pastors faith?
Why did Peter have to put up his 'legal' sword but this 'commitee' of armed men dont have to?

What a weak fleshy leader!
tell us how you really feel ...
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