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09-12-2009, 04:11 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
Is this statement true and how do you know?
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many of the “lurkers” are looking to leave the organization or are members who watching for people who are looking to leave.
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09-12-2009, 04:14 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
I disagree that most are connected to the UPC or the characterization that the UPC is legalistic.
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09-12-2009, 04:15 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Is this statement true and how do you know?
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Another good question.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 04:42 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
I think there are lurkers on both sides of the fence!
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09-12-2009, 04:46 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
If I thought this was a place to usher folks out of the UPC I would not want to be a part of it.
We can talk about education, changing hermeneutics and maturity of Oneness Pentecostals, but this is NOT AN EXIT ZONE.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 04:53 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Because I know many of the "lurkers" on both sides. I have friends that would never post who they really are for fear of being ostracized and I know people who have told their pastors about people who reveal themselves.
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09-12-2009, 04:55 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I disagree that most are connected to the UPC or the characterization that the UPC is legalistic.
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I said the UPC because that was my affiliation, and all of the people who I know personally (meaning in person, not those I have met through AFF) were through the UPC. I should have said Oneness.
I did not say that the UPC IS legalistic (although that could be argued depending on the church), I said it leaned that way, which I think it does, at least in my experience.
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Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
"You will be hated for my sake-Just remember that it should be for MY sake and not YOURS-
Do NOT act in such a way as to be offensive, and then blame it on me"
Love, God
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09-12-2009, 05:01 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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If I thought this was a place to usher folks out of the UPC I would not want to be a part of it.
We can talk about education, changing hermeneutics and maturity of Oneness Pentecostals, but this is NOT AN EXIT ZONE.
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I do not think it a place to usher people out, and I apologize if it came across that way. I meant that it was a place to have open and healthy conversations, which it is. Some people's circumstances and churches do not allow for that, and so the anonymity afforded them here allows for hard questions.
If someone is happy in the UPC, then they shouldn't be offended or encouraged to leave, but if they are thinking about it, I think that is a safe place to air those questions and concerns. But that is by no means the only thing that AFF does.
Even people who are satisfied with their church can come and ask theological questions for others to weigh in on.
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Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
"You will be hated for my sake-Just remember that it should be for MY sake and not YOURS-
Do NOT act in such a way as to be offensive, and then blame it on me"
Love, God
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09-12-2009, 06:36 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I do not think it a place to usher people out, and I apologize if it came across that way. I meant that it was a place to have open and healthy conversations, which it is. Some people's circumstances and churches do not allow for that, and so the anonymity afforded them here allows for hard questions.
If someone is happy in the UPC, then they shouldn't be offended or encouraged to leave, but if they are thinking about it, I think that is a safe place to air those questions and concerns. But that is by no means the only thing that AFF does.
Even people who are satisfied with their church can come and ask theological questions for others to weigh in on.
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Thanks for the apology but I never questioned your intention. I certainly think there could have been a much nicer (not to mention more factual) way of telling the people you were addressing.
At the very least you could have shown balance.
Not all lurkers are "looking to leave". There are those here looking to join the UPC or similar conservative Christian churches. Some are fleeing a Christianity that they feel is neutered. Others are Oneness Pentecostal and know that we as other groups are maturing and working through things within our churches.
Sorry Pro31, but that "chapter" does not reflect myself nor many others in the UPC. It did make me want to call Rick Ross for a deprogramming appointment and set up an exit strategy. 
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 06:42 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Thanks for the apology but I never questioned your intention. I certainly think there could have been a much nicer way of saying it.
At the very least you could have shown balance.
Not all are "looking to leave". There are those here looking to join the UPC or similar conservative Christian churches. Some are fleeing a Christianity that they feel is neutered. Others are Oneness Pentecostal and know that we as other groups are maturing and working through things within our churches.
Sorry Pro31, but that "chapter" does not reflect myself nor many others in the UPC. It did make me want to call Rick Ross for a deprogramming appointment and set up an exit strategy. |
You did know that Rick Ross is Pro31's uncle, right?
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