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Old 10-13-2009, 11:16 AM
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Re: Church Boards,Pluses and Minuses.

Pastors cannot be expected ot be knowledgable in all areas of anything. It seems stupid therefore to not have more than one man at the "top" to lead a church.

Not all men are great counsellors. So why would a Pastor without that talent not let another man in the church who is skilled at it take the position of counselling saints? Not all Pastors are good teachers. Many can do littl emore than scream and allegorically preach. No expository or teaching talent in them at all. Why wouldn't they then have enough brains to let anothe rman skilled at teaching have position and authority to teach? Why not use the men in the church who have the talents one doesn't have?

Answer: Because we have taught Pastors wrongly that only one man leads the church. "There can only be one head". Thats true....it's Jesus, not the Pastor. So why not have more than one Pastor when multiple men have different skills and talents that can make the church better?

Is it pride? Power hunger? Fear of trying something new? Tradition? I dont' know.
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Old 10-13-2009, 11:57 AM
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Pastors cannot be expected ot be knowledgable in all areas of anything. It seems stupid therefore to not have more than one man at the "top" to lead a church.

Not all men are great counsellors. So why would a Pastor without that talent not let another man in the church who is skilled at it take the position of counselling saints? Not all Pastors are good teachers. Many can do littl emore than scream and allegorically preach. No expository or teaching talent in them at all. Why wouldn't they then have enough brains to let anothe rman skilled at teaching have position and authority to teach? Why not use the men in the church who have the talents one doesn't have?

Answer: Because we have taught Pastors wrongly that only one man leads the church. "There can only be one head". Thats true....it's Jesus, not the Pastor. So why not have more than one Pastor when multiple men have different skills and talents that can make the church better?

Is it pride? Power hunger? Fear of trying something new? Tradition? I dont' know.
Great post, NH!
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Old 10-13-2009, 04:41 PM
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Re: Church Boards,Pluses and Minuses.

Would someone care to define whats meant by a "BOARD"? I dont believe I have ever seen that mentioned in the holy scriptures.
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Old 10-13-2009, 04:46 PM
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Re: Church Boards,Pluses and Minuses.

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Baldassare Castiglione writes this in the Book of the Courtier... "Yet it seems to me that since liberty has been given us by God as a supreme gift, it is not reasonable that we should be deprived of it, nor that one man should have a larger share of it than another: which happens under the dominion of princes who for the most part hold their subjects in closest bondage. But in rightly ordered republics this liberty is fully preserved: besides which, both in judgments and in councils, it more often happens that one man's opinion singly is wrong, than that of many; because disturbance from anger or scorn or lust more easily enters the mind of one man that that of the many, who are almost like a great body of water, which is less liable to corruption than a small one."

However he does not conclude here, he later writes..."Now as to what you said about liberty, I reply that we ought not to say that true liberty is to live as we like, but to live according to good laws."

A little further on he writes, "And since you said that it is an easier thing for the mind of one man to be corrupted than for that of many, I say that it is also an easier thing to find one good and wise man than many."

To me these same arguments are all applicable to the discussion of the pros and cons of a church board. On one hand we have resistance to the corruption of one man, on the other hand we can more easily find greater virtue in one man than in many. Which to choose...? That is a hard question. I think this, that with a good and righteous pastor, things will be far better without a church board. Of course not all pastors are righteous, but neither do they have power outside their church to force us to stay under them. Therefore we already have a remedy for unrighteous pastors, that is we can leave their church and testify of their deeds. Though we should never speak down of them lightly lest it is us that are in error and angered not at any unrighteousness on their part but instead are angered that we cannot live as we like. And one final note, if it can ever be shown that there are many many pastors on a large scale that have become corrupt in their leadership, then we should revisit this issue and say assuredly that we need church boards to help hold all pastors accountable so that they do not become corrupt.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:02 PM
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Re: Church Boards,Pluses and Minuses.

It seem we are forgetting the most important example of all the Jerusalem church. Contrary to popular opinion that there was one man at the top (no scripture for that) Jesus chose 12 men twelve they all shared in the leadership of the church. It worked then why would'nt it work now. Even Paul never ministered alone (Paul and Silas, Paul and Barnabus) and with careful study you will find that Paul traveled with several others at the same time.
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