It's Time To Get Over It

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Some are victims of their own hurt and project that to others. They like being hurt it is their badge if honor and an excuse for not doing what they know they should do.

So because of those "some" are we to lose focus from the root of the pain that Trouvere talks about?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Some people are so hurt that they cannot get over it.Have you ever considered that? I know church people who have been through so much
and I always say that somebody is going to be sorry come judgement day
for having hurt one of Jesus's little ones.

I think people can always get over it in some measure. What I don't like is people demanding that folks get over things on THEIR timetable because they don't want to hear about it.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think people can always get over it in some measure. What I don't like is people demanding that folks get over things on THEIR timetable because they don't want to hear about it.

you are right, about some people. But I've heard this anti-UPC song and dance from some regulars for 3 years...

there's no intention of getting on with their life - they just want to vent.

Others, in that same period of time have made choices to move on - and that's ok for them, it's what they chose to do...are they sitting back lamenting about it and bashing the organization they chose to leave? No they arent, they are getting on with their life b/c they made a choice they were comfortable with...

some folks just want attention and justification for inactivity.

[Steve Epley]

I heard song years ago this thread reminds me of:
'I've been walked on and stepped on so many times and I hate to admit it but the last footprint was mine."

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Theresa

you are right, about some people. But I've heard this anti-UPC song and dance from some regulars for 3 years...

there's no intention of getting on with their life - they just want to vent.

Others, in that same period of time have made choices to move on - and that's ok for them, it's what they chose to do...are they sitting back lamenting about it and bashing the organization they chose to leave? No they arent, they are getting on with their life b/c they made a choice they were comfortable with...

some folks just want attention and justification for inactivity.

I can agree with this. I came to a conclusion a few years back that if I really wanted to be free from the UPC, every decision I made could not be influenced by the UPC. And I wonder if most who leave the UPC are allowing the UPC to control them, even if they proclaim it's lack of control. When you are doing everything you do in order to be anti-UPC, the UPC is still a major influence in your life -- whether you like it or not.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Some people are so hurt that they cannot get over it.Have you ever considered that? I know church people who have been through so much
and I always say that somebody is going to be sorry come judgement day
for having hurt one of Jesus's little ones.

That is what love and forgiveness is all about. We are commanded both and I believe God gives us grace to do both. Jesus commands us to love one another and even to love our enemies. If we can't love our brother who we can see, how can we love God who we can't see?


Pr 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

Pr 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends

Mt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mr 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

That is what love and forgiveness is all about. We are commanded both and I believe God gives us grace to do both. Jesus commands us to love one another and even to love our enemies. If we can't love our brother who we can see, how can we love God who we can't see?


Pr 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

Pr 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends

Mt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mr 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

With a friendly reminder, however, that “...if you are presenting a sacrifice at the altar in the Temple and you suddenly remember that someone has something against you, leave your sacrifice there at the altar. Go and be reconciled to that person. Then come and offer your sacrifice to God." (Matthew 5)

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Some people are so hurt that they cannot get over it.Have you ever considered that? I know church people who have been through so much
and I always say that somebody is going to be sorry come judgement day
for having hurt one of Jesus's little ones.

But why are these people (who are in rebellion against God by forsaking the assembling together as commanded against in Hebrews) hurt? Did the pastor step on their toes? Did he preach something that resulted in Holy Ghost conviction? Did his wife fail to come to someone's baby shower (I know a couple that left a church for that very reason)? Did the pastor fail to coddle them and make them feel good about themselves? Why are they hurt? More often than not the reason people think they've been hurt in the church by their pastors or other saints is because of their own pride and selfishness.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

But why are these people (who are in rebellion against God by forsaking the assembling together as commanded against in Hebrews) hurt? Did the pastor step on their toes? Did he preach something that resulted in Holy Ghost conviction? Did his wife fail to come to someone's baby shower (I know a couple that left a church for that very reason)? Did the pastor fail to coddle them and make them feel good about themselves? Why are they hurt? More often than not the reason people think they've been hurt in the church by their pastors or other saints is because of their own pride and selfishness.

Its great to see that even you Chan are capable of making great, sweeping interpretations and generalizations. It really quite refreshing to read this substance-free style within your posting.

Originally Posted by tbpew

Its great to see that even you Chan are capable of making great, sweeping interpretations and generalizations. It really quite refreshing to read this substance-free style within your posting.

How is asking the questions I asked a "sweeping interpretation and generalization"? If they've stopped going to church or have stopped committing themselves to a local body of believers (as the original poster indicate), they are in rebellion against God.

Now, if you're done making stupid remarks, answer the questions!

Why are [they] hurt? Did the pastor step on their toes? Did he preach something that resulted in Holy Ghost conviction? Did his wife fail to come to someone's baby shower (I know a couple that left a church for that very reason)? Did the pastor fail to coddle them and make them feel good about themselves? Why are they hurt?

The fact of the matter is that, more often than not the reason people think they've been hurt in the church by their pastors or other saints is because of their own pride and selfishness.