Statement by Bro. Steve Pixler

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Standards

Quote from Bro. Steve Pixler:
“Image and glory are always interconnected, and when humans start stealing glory, they’ll start perverting image.”

Agree or disagree? That is your privilege.

I agree.

But from here this agreeable phrase could be taken and used to press all manner of personal interpretations of the phrases therein and it all starts downhill from there.

[MissBrattified]

I think he means that when humans glorify self rather than God, their image will be perverted, in that it will no longer reflect His image(e.g., godliness), but their own philosophies and attitudes (worldliness). Creature vs. Creator worship, maybe?

In that sense, I agree. IF that's what he means. The statement is rather ambiguous.

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Originally Posted by Standards

When I read this, a Biblical reference stood out in my mind. In 1 Kings 12:25-29, Jeroboam wanted to keep the people from going up to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices, so he built two calves of Gold. If you study this out, you will find that this was actually supposed to be a visible image of Jehovah. However, since Jeroboam’s intentions were purely selfish, he sought to steal the glory and perverted the image of God. Anytime we try to use our own ability to represent Christ, the image of God becomes blurred and people start to see us instead.

This is a very bold statement (with which I wholeheartedly agree), but isn't it contrary to the persona that you and other "standards or hell" and "agree with me or hell" people portray?

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" ~ Romans 10.3

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" ~ Galatians 2.21 - 3.3

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think he means that when humans glorify self rather than God, their image will be perverted, in that it will no longer reflect His image(e.g., godliness), but their own philosophies and attitudes (worldliness). Creature vs. Creator worship, maybe?

In that sense, I agree. IF that's what he means. The statement is rather ambiguous.

But our philosophies and attitudes aren't just "worldly", though, are they? A lot of what we hear about "I'd rather make heaven by an inch than hell by a mile" is that sort of humanistic element that puts the focus on our efforts to DO for God, rather than what He did for us. How many really see salvation as a finished work that Jesus GIVES to us freely? Most I know are still trying to earn it through all their sacrificing and adherence to codes and letter of the law, all the while missing the spirit of the law and frustrating grace.

I agree... the statement is ambiguous.

[Standards]

Originally Posted by Jim H

This is a very bold statement (with which I wholeheartedly agree), but isn't it contrary to the persona that you and other "standards or hell" and "agree with me or hell" people portray?

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" ~ Romans 10.3

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" ~ Galatians 2.21 - 3.3

I preach Biblical standards. They're not man made.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I don't really get it either.

I think all the "AMEN" people like it because it helps them prop their hair doctrine. That's not what they will say. Also, any doctrine of outward appearance is served by these ambiguous statements.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by missbrattified

i think he means that when humans glorify self rather than god, their image will be perverted, in that it will no longer reflect his image(e.g., godliness), but their own philosophies and attitudes (worldliness). Creature vs. Creator worship, maybe?

In that sense, i agree. If that's what he means. The statement is rather ambiguous.

maybe....

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Standards

Quote from Bro. Steve Pixler:
“Image and glory are always interconnected, and when humans start stealing glory, they’ll start perverting image.”

Agree or disagree? That is your privilege.

Is this another hair thread?

[Standards]

Originally Posted by ILG

Is this another hair thread?

Hair has nothing to do with it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jim H

But our philosophies and attitudes aren't just "worldly", though, are they? A lot of what we hear about "I'd rather make heaven by an inch than hell by a mile" is that sort of humanistic element that puts the focus on our efforts to DO for God, rather than what He did for us. How many really see salvation as a finished work that Jesus GIVES to us freely? Most I know are still trying to earn it through all their sacrificing and adherence to codes and letter of the law, all the while missing the spirit of the law and frustrating grace.

I agree... the statement is ambiguous.

Any philosophy that glorifies human reasoning above God's Word and His sovereignty IS a worldly philosophy. It doesn't matter if that philosophy has a religious framework.