Baptism: Water to Fire - Page 2

SteppingStone · #11 07-05-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Some Jews who practice mikveh do so more than once.
It can be used as an initiatory rite when someone converts to Judaism.
Some men do it every week just prior to sundown on Friday so they will be "clean" and "reconsecrated" for the sabbath.
Some women do it each month after their period for ceremonial cleanliness and/or as a burial for the death of a child who was not born.
Some OP's require rebaptism for a person who may have grown cold in the Lord or who may have not been serving God for a while.
Some OP's get rebaptized every so often as a symbol of dedication to God.
Some OP's insist on rebaptism in the name of "Jesus Christ" for someone who may have been baptized in the name of "the Lord Jesus Christ" or in the name of "Jesus."
Some OP's believe the name of the Father is Lord, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost is Christ and it takes all three "names" to complete the one name of God. And if "Lord Jesus Christ" had not been spoken the first time, the full name of God was not used and rebaptism is necessary.
Other OP's believe "Lord Jesus Christ" is a trinitarian type formula and not all three words should be used but something shorter.
Some OP's believe that if the words "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" were used in baptism a person needs to get rebaptized in the name of Jesus with or without titles like "Lord" and/or "Christ."
Some OP's believe that if a person was sprinkled with water or had water poured on him, he would need to be rebaptized by immersion.

There are several reasons why OP's practice rebaptism.

To go along with that theme some take Rev 2:5 as meaning water baptism..

Sam · #12 07-05-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

To go along with that theme some take Rev 2:5 as meaning water baptism..

Some who believe a person can "lose" their salvation require a "backslider" to speak in tongues again and to be baptized in water again to be restored or re-saved or re-born into the family of God.

pastorrick1959 · #13 07-06-2010, 05:35 AM

thats called doing your 1st works over.

i dont think they were switxching from one baptism to the other stepping were letting them know they would be submerged into the holy ghost just like they were in the water,

mfblume · #14 07-07-2010, 10:15 AM

Water baptism was not replaced by Holy Ghost baptism. Holy Ghost baptism was added to the picture. For that reason water baptism continued throughout Acts. It is BOTH water and Spirit. 1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

It was water and Spirit in Genesis 1:2. The Spirit moved on the face of the waters. And the WORD was spoken. Kingdom preaching of the cross is blood, water and Spirit.

SteppingStone · #15 07-07-2010, 11:40 AM

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Water baptism was not replaced by Holy Ghost baptism. Holy Ghost baptism was added to the picture. For that reason water baptism continued throughout Acts. It is BOTH water and Spirit. 1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

It was water and Spirit in Genesis 1:2. The Spirit moved on the face of the waters. And the WORD was spoken. Kingdom preaching of the cross is blood, water and Spirit.

Yeah I'm still mulling it over. Could it be that we are the water and that John 3 is referring to the womb which would be symbolic of the water in which we came from?

mfblume · #16 07-07-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Yeah I'm still mulling it over. Could it be that we are the water and that John 3 is referring to the womb which would be symbolic of the water in which we came from?

When it comes to such questions, my conviction is that we need explicit statements in the bible to back such thoughts up.

SteppingStone · #17 07-07-2010, 12:02 PM

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When it comes to such questions, my conviction is that we need explicit statements in the bible to back such thoughts up.

I understand that and I can respect that, gotta go with your convictions. Aside from this, you don't think we are typed as water in scripture though?

mfblume · #18 07-07-2010, 01:02 PM

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I do not believe that it is necessary for a believer in Christ to be water baptized at all.
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There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism – yes… the early disciples did at the beginning baptize converts in water,…but God does not count man’s water baptism.

So you are saying the disciples were wrong in baptizing people? LOL. whatever...

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Considering,… that everything Jesus did was for mankind, thus by his own baptism everyone…. has been baptized into Christ…because he was the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29)

The whole human race died and was buried (baptized) by the Messiah's baptism. Any water baptism done now by a believer, it is simply getting him wet…b/c we should be teaching - the complete end of physical water baptism.

Incorrect. We are baptized into His death in a conscious decision. And that is how we partake of Christ's death.

mfblume · #19 07-07-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

I understand that and I can respect that, gotta go with your convictions. Aside from this, you don't think we are typed as water in scripture though?

In some instances yes, but such a type cannot be applied over every reference to water, though, I believe.

Godsdrummer · #20 07-07-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Yeah I'm still mulling it over. Could it be that we are the water and that John 3 is referring to the womb which would be symbolic of the water in which we came from?

My two cents worth, the water in John 3 is not referring to baptism. Nowhere does Jesus tell Nicodemus that he needs anything more than to believe in the passage.

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

As we can go round all day long scriptures speak for themselves if we will listen. Is baptism neccisary? Well is it a command of God? (Jesus)