Do Apostolics expect the Second Coming soon? - Page 2

joyful · #11 08-10-2010, 12:03 AM

I would say no. It is not emphasized nearly as much as it was when I was growing up in the 80's. I think people are just burnt out after so many false reports, supposed "signs of the times", needing therapy over thinking you missed the rapture, etc.

I do also think that there is a significant increase in the number of people embracing aspects of partial preterism which has an effect as well. I see way more of an emphasis on being ready because today might be YOUR day to meet The Lord - which I find to be an improvement.

Michael The Disciple · #12 08-10-2010, 05:32 AM

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(I'm not focusing on this aspect of it, but I do lean towards a post-trib rapture view :-)

Next, let me say that we should not fear, because as long as we keep "our lamps filled with oil" (stay prayed up in the Holy Ghost) and stay faithful to the truth enduring to the end, that whatever God chooses to not protect us from He will give us the grace to endure.

Now for those who are not ready, a healthy dose of fear is sometimes needed, though not necessiarily the preferred method.

Jude 1:22, 23 And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

I keep up with what's going on enough to say that I would be surprised if the second coming did not happen by 2020 or sooner.

Now I am NOT saying for SURE what I am going to share next is going to happen on that timetable, only that it is an interesting POSSIBILITY -

Just a thought - we do not know the exact day and hour, but the scriptures do indicate that we can know things are getting very near, and the scriptures also tell us things to watch for so we can know that it is getting near.

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." 1 Thessalonians 5:4

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Matthew 24:32-34

Many Bible scholars believe that the "fig tree" refers to Isreal's rebirth as a nation in 1948, and 70 years can be viewed as a generation, now that is not setting an exact day and hour, but it does tell us that it is getting very near "even at the doors".

1948 + 70 would bring us to the year 2018, also I have heard that the global elite are hoping to have their one world government in force by 2012, and 2012 + 7 years = 2019

This is simply an interesting POSSIBILITY to consider, I am NOT saying for SURE it will happen on that timetable.

The thing is to be ready now, and stay ready, and help others get ready, so whenever it happens we will be ready :-)

Gary,

Excellent post! And I believe your post trib leaning will one day be vindicated.

Michael The Disciple · #13 08-10-2010, 05:38 AM

Its true that the frantic teaching of a pre tribulation rapture that ignores the important signs which must still happen, along with the various aspects of preterism being embraced have confused many saints so they have no joy concerning his second coming.

Digging4Truth · #14 08-10-2010, 06:08 AM

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Where did He promise He is coming back Mike?..What verse do you have that you cling to? What would be the purpose?.Do you have Christ now? Is He not in the Kingdom He promised? Luke 17:20..within you..

Good question SRM. I look forward to this volley of thoughts.

Michael The Disciple · #15 08-10-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SRM

Where did He promise He is coming back Mike?..What verse do you have that you cling to? What would be the purpose?.Do you have Christ now? Is He not in the Kingdom He promised? Luke 17:20..within you..

This is a good example of the confusion being poured out today. Note the warning of Apostle Peter:

[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:3-4

They will be asking people "Where is the promise of his coming".

Pressing-On · #16 08-10-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SRM

Where did He promise He is coming back Mike?..What verse do you have that you cling to? What would be the purpose?.Do you have Christ now? Is He not in the Kingdom He promised? Luke 17:20..within you..

I Corinthians 15

geekette · #17 08-10-2010, 07:24 AM

Wow...things really have changed!

Preterism wasn't even in the rear-view mirror when I was a teenager. People argued over pre- versus post-trib rapture, with pre-trib definitely being the dominant view.

Is preterism common among Apostolics or is it an Internet phenomenon?

Digging4Truth · #18 08-10-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette

Wow...things really have changed!

Preterism wasn't even in the rear-view mirror when I was a teenager. People argued over pre- versus post-trib rapture, with pre-trib definitely being the dominant view.

Is preterism common among Apostolics or is it an Internet phenomenon?

It is increasingly common and appears that it will continue to do so.

BroGary · #19 08-10-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is a good example of the confusion being poured out today. Note the warning of Apostle Peter:

[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:3-4

They will be asking people "Where is the promise of his coming".

Good point Michael !

I have used that verse (among others) when discussing this topic elsewhere in the past to show that the return of Jesus is still a future event.

Maximilian · #20 08-10-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SRM

Where did He promise He is coming back Mike?..What verse do you have that you cling to? What would be the purpose?.Do you have Christ now? Is He not in the Kingdom He promised? Luke 17:20..within you..

In your eschatology,what is next? How do you view the Millenium? The Tribulation? The Resurrection of the dead? The Great Judgement? The restoration of Israel.