67K New Priv Sec Jobs, -121K Gov Jobs!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

create 4 million jobs Over all.

do you know the diffeence between applying for a government position and accepting an offer?

Does it matter in this discussion?

The bottom line here is that his actions are helping to ensure that qualified Veterans have every opportunity to COMPETE for the jobs that would be available anyway.

[Jack Shephard]

The jobs that are coming open are all the jobs that used to be filleed by Republicans.



LOL

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Doesn't the President get any credit when something good happens or is starting to happen?

Oh, I know-- only if the President is a REPUBLICAN!

Ok, now I understand!

George Bush at one point had 52 consecutive months in a row with job increases.

Obama can't seem to perform.

Private sector growth slowed from in July, dropping from an adjusted gain of 107,000 to 67,000, while the government terminated 131,000 jobs:

June and July numbers had to be adjusted downward. That means they were much worse than reported earlier.

It takes 250,000 jobs increase each month to remain equal with growth in the workforce.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

George Bush at one point had 52 consecutive months in a row with job increases.

Obama can't seem to perform.

Private sector growth slowed from in July, dropping from an adjusted gain of 107,000 to 67,000, while the government terminated 131,000 jobs:

June and July numbers had to be adjusted downward. That means they were much worse than reported earlier.

It takes 250,000 jobs increase each month to remain equal with growth in the workforce.

You can't compare the economy under GWB to the economy now!

We're on the way out of a recession, a near depression even!

Many will argue that it was the excesses of that time period prior to today's bad times that contributed to the economy we have today (but you would just dismiss them as liberal, ill-informed and biased.)

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You can't compare the economy under GWB to the economy now!

We're on the way out of a recession, a near depression even!

Many will argue that it was the excesses of that time period prior to today's bad times that contributed to the economy we have today (but you would just dismiss them as liberal, ill-informed and biased.)

Not I. I would agree that during that time it went bad. But keep in mind the the Congrees and the House majority was held by the Demo's. Bush's hand were tied on many thing because it needed the approval from these places. As such they put into action some things that ultimately brought this country to it's knees and VERY little of it had to do with ONLY the Bush administration.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Not I. I would agree that during that time it went bad. But keep in mind the the Congrees and the House majority was held by the Demo's. Bush's hand were tied on many thing because it needed the approval from these places. As such they put into action some things that ultimately brought this country to it's knees and VERY little of it had to do with ONLY the Bush administration.

I do hold Bush and his Administration more responsible for this more than anyone else.


When you start to think about the BILLIONS OF TAX-PAYER DOLLARS unaccounted for in regards to spending in Iraq, it should make your blood boil!

All of that, and WE STILL DID NOT GET THE UP-ARMORRED VEHICLES AND PROTECTION THAT WOULD SAVE THE LIVES OF SO MANY MORE OF OUR HEROES!

While the "private contractors" were paid how much to do whatever they were doing? Even if their "mission" was legitimnate the inequity was maddening.

Of course the comapnies that prospered most had connections to that Administration (formal or informal.)


Fact is, the buck stops with Bush, in my mind because as President, the economy took its turn for the worst while he was still in office. The buck always stops witht the President-- or it should.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do hold Bush and his Administration more responsible for this more than anyone else.


When you start to think about the BILLIONS OF TAX-PAYER DOLLARS unaccounted for in regards to spending in Iraq, it should make your blood boil!
All of that, and WE STILL DID NOT GET THE UP-ARMORRED VEHICLES AND PROTECTION THAT WOULD SAVE THE LIVES OF SO MANY MORE OF OUR HEROES!

While the "private contractors" were paid how much to do whatever they were doing? Even if their "mission" was legitimnate the inequity was maddening.

Of course the comapnies that prospered most had connections to that Administration (formal or informal.)


Fact is, the buck stops with Bush, in my mind because as President, the economy took its turn for the worst while he was still in office. The buck always stops witht the President-- or it should.

We know where some money is GE gets their hands on it.

General Electric pays $23 million to settle Iraq bribery charges

1 month ago.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do hold Bush and his Administration more responsible for this more than anyone else.


When you start to think about the BILLIONS OF TAX-PAYER DOLLARS unaccounted for in regards to spending in Iraq, it should make your blood boil!

All of that, and WE STILL DID NOT GET THE UP-ARMORRED VEHICLES AND PROTECTION THAT WOULD SAVE THE LIVES OF SO MANY MORE OF OUR HEROES!

While the "private contractors" were paid how much to do whatever they were doing? Even if their "mission" was legitimnate the inequity was maddening.

Of course the comapnies that prospered most had connections to that Administration (formal or informal.)


Fact is, the buck stops with Bush, in my mind because as President, the economy took its turn for the worst while he was still in office. The buck always stops witht the President-- or it should.

I agree that the spending on the war was way too much and being spent in the wrong places. You say the buck stops with the Prez, but you can see by this admin. that is clearly doesn't. Bush, nor any Prez, can get something off the ground without the help of these branches. Was Bush perfect? No way. Was he a good Prez..I think so. He had to deal with something that no one ever has in this countrys history. A terrorist threat beyond anything we have ever seeen, a terroist attack of epic proportion on our own soil, trying to make sure it didn't happen again, etc. the list keeps going.

I am not saying that 100 year down the road the country will look back and say the GWB was a great American Prez like it does fro Lincoln and others. But Lincoln was didn't have a great approval after ending slavery which lead to his murder. If in 100 years this country remembers GWB for being a great Prez it wouldn't shock me. We look at Lincoln and say he was a great leader for how he dealt with what he was handed. Bush was handed something that no one ever imagined would happen. It is hard to see it now, but I think that Bush will end up being looked at as a good Prez. I could be wrong, but I wonder what we would have thought back in Lincoln's day?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You can't compare the economy under GWB to the economy now!

We're on the way out of a recession, a near depression even!

Many will argue that it was the excesses of that time period prior to today's bad times that contributed to the economy we have today (but you would just dismiss them as liberal, ill-informed and biased.)

as a matter of fact I can. I can do any comparison I want to. And I will. It was up to 146 million employed under Bush to 135 million under Obama now.

If you have a college degree, Between yourself, Obama and Tim Geithner, I have just as many degrees as the three of you put together plus more economics than all of you together.

Timmy's graduate degree devoted to the study of international affairs, economics, diplomacy, and policy research and education. I have completed more graduate work than he and Obama together.

If we have 6 great quarters, we should be back to where it was when Bush retired.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

as a matter of fact I can. I can do any comparison I want to. And I will.

Go ahead.