College Education an Entitlement?

[whoami]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Thousands of students in Briton are protesting with signs that read "Free Education Now".

What do you think about that? Does that seem weird to anyone besides me?

I haven't read all the replies, but yes, that does seem weird to me. My husband and I had to pay for our own college... we don't plan on paying for our daughter's either. That may seem heartless, but we don't think she'll appreciate it unless she pays for it herself.

[seguidordejesus]

In the event that a student's education is not 100% covered by scholarships (and it seldom is)

I see no benefit to saddling a person with sometimes tens of thousands of dollars of debt before they even begin their career, especially in this job market. The federal government ends up guaranteeing it (thus paying for it if they default) or forgiving it (thus paying for it) or the person is saddled with payments for the next decade or more.

Put that money back into the economy, and you'd see things improve.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

In the event that a student's education is not 100% covered by scholarships (and it seldom is)

I see no benefit to saddling a person with sometimes tens of thousands of dollars of debt before they even begin their career, especially in this job market. The federal government ends up guaranteeing it (thus paying for it if they default) or forgiving it (thus paying for it) or the person is saddled with payments for the next decade or more.

Put that money back into the economy, and you'd see things improve.

Put what money back in the economy?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

Or even more. National Merit Scholars and folks with perfect gpa's and high ACT scores do very well.

The problem is we as parents often don't teach kids how to work hard and do good work.

coaide, if everyone has perfect GPA's then there are other more stringent criteria to determine who gets all those scholarships. Scholarship money is in limited supply and is based not on your GPA alone but on your GPA in comparison with the competition. The fact is that scholarships will always be awarded by comparison. So even if you have a class of all 4.0 GPA students, only a few of those will be awarded scholarships. And here's the kicker... it wouldn't matter how much effort such a student expended and how good of work they did if another student expended just a little more effort and did just a little better work than them.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

coaide, if everyone has perfect GPA's then there are other more stringent criteria to determine who gets all those scholarships. Scholarship money is in limited supply and is based not on your GPA alone but on your GPA in comparison with the competition. The fact is that scholarships will always be awarded by comparison. So even if you have a class of all 4.0 GPA students, only a few of those will be awarded scholarships. And here's the kicker... it wouldn't matter how much effort such a student expended and how good of work they did if another student expended just a little more effort and did just a little better work than them.

As socialists many want the state to pay for higher education. Of course they will dive in and dictate curriculum and delete support of church schools.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by jfrog

coaide, if everyone has perfect GPA's then there are other more stringent criteria to determine who gets all those scholarships. Scholarship money is in limited supply and is based not on your GPA alone but on your GPA in comparison with the competition. The fact is that scholarships will always be awarded by comparison. So even if you have a class of all 4.0 GPA students, only a few of those will be awarded scholarships. And here's the kicker... it wouldn't matter how much effort such a student expended and how good of work they did if another student expended just a little more effort and did just a little better work than them.

Originally Posted by coadie

As socialists many want the state to pay for higher education. Of course they will dive in and dictate curriculum and delete support of church schools.

What?

JFrog is right. My oldest daughter was able to get a full schlorship because of her chosen field of study and the college she chose to attend. My youngest didn't get a full scholarship for the exact same reasons. They both did well in school, in fact the younger one had better grades than her sister.

[jfrog]

Here's the thing coadie. When I graduated high school I was 4th in a class of 60. I had the highest SAT scores in my class. I ended up with enough scholarships/pell grant/non-merit based scholarships to mostly pay for my first year at virginia tech. However, most of my scholarships were only 1 semester/1 year ones. So had I stayed, I might have accumulated alot of debt. (Virginia Tech is a fairly cheap college in comparison to other states colleges). The whole year costed about 15,000-16,000 back in 2005. My roommate was from Pennyslvania. Out of state tuition for him at Virginia Tech was actually cheaper than instate tuition at Penn State.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Here's the thing coadie. When I graduated high school I was 4th in a class of 60. I had the highest SAT scores in my class. I ended up with enough scholarships/pell grant/non-merit based scholarships to mostly pay for my first year at virginia tech. However, most of my scholarships were only 1 semester/1 year ones. So had I stayed, I might have accumulated alot of debt. (Virginia Tech is a fairly cheap college in comparison. The whole year costed about 15,000-16,000 back in 2005. My roommate was from Pennyslvania. Out of state tuition for him at Virginia Tech was actually cheaper than instate tuition at Penn State.

Graduated high school
graduated from high school

I know a lot of education inhibited people that remind me they "graduated high school" not from high school.

Yep. After my second graduate degree, my college debt was 300 dollars.
Fortunately I started my career with no financial burden.
My parents helped out by sending food at Christmas.

One of the issues is resourcefullness. Students need to learn how to get it paid for in addition to learning endurance education takes.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

As socialists many want the state to pay for higher education. Of course they will dive in and dictate curriculum and delete support of church schools.

Georgia actually has a great program. I think it's called the hope scholarship. If a students preforms well enough in school then he/she gets his/her public college tuition in Georgia paid for. The student has to maintain a 3.0 GPA and a few other stipulations.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by coadie

Put what money back in the economy?

Can you not read? The student loan money.