A Crumbling UPC 'Fesses Up, AI is not working

[DAII]

Take a look at the Kerygma work ... a "daughter work" in downtown Austin... including some in leadership ...

and I tell you it's FAR FROM AI.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

This is more than shocking. DKB has been a very vocal proponent of Apostolic Identity. In fact, he coined the term Apostolic Identity. As South Texas District Superintendent, he pushed to exclude or remove any pastor who did not comply with the basic tenants of Apostolic Identity.

Now DKB admits he delayed teaching AI to his new converts and, in some cases, refused to teach it at all?

Amazing!

I find this admission very frustrating, because many UPCI Home Missionaries have been struggling to "line up" to the extra-biblical expectations of Apostolic Identity for years. They, unlike DKB, did not delay teaching it because they were pressured to teach it. This pressure was applied at ever national and statewide conference in America over the past five years.

The hypocrisy is amazing.

Nuff said.

[Chateau d'If]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

This is more than shocking. DKB has been a very vocal proponent of Apostolic Identity. In fact, he coined the term Apostolic Identity. As South Texas District Superintendent, he pushed to exclude or remove any pastor who did not comply with the basic tenants of Apostolic Identity.

Now DKB admits he delayed teaching AI to his new converts and, in some cases, refused to teach it at all?

I find this admission very frustrating, because many UPCI Home Missionaries have been struggling to "line up" to the extra-biblical expectations of Apostolic Identity for years. They, unlike DKB, did not delay teaching it because they were pressured to teach it. This pressure was applied at ever national and statewide conference in America over the past five years.

The hypocrisy is amazing.

So, what do we say to the Home Missionary pastor who has lost dozens of precious souls because he did teach Apostolic Identity, without delay?

What do we say to the Home Missionary who eventually gave up because, just like the Korean pastor, every time he preached it, he lost an entire congregation?

What does this say about the integrity of leadership within the United Pentecostal Church? You delay teaching what you really believe, because you're afraid of the consequences? You refuse to teach what you really believe because you are afraid new converts will leave?

What if every UPCI pastor took the same approach DKB admitted to? How long until the UPCI looked radically different than it does right now?

[DAII]

Caveat ... DKB makes a distinction regarding teaching what he believes is biblical and cultural ... although in one of his Holiness books he admits skirts only on a woman is a germane to Western culture ... and not necessarily in others.

It can be argued that pants on a woman is now a generally accepted mode of dress in Western culture today.

It's word parsing and he's good at it.

[Chateau d'If]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

So, what do we say to the Home Missionary pastor who has lost dozens of precious souls because he did teach Apostolic Identity, without delay?

What do we say to the Home Missionary who eventually gave up because, just like the Korean pastor, every time he preached it, he lost an entire congregation?

What does this say about the integrity of leadership within the United Pentecostal Church? You delay teaching what you really believe, because you're afraid of the consequences? You refuse to teach what you really believe because you are afraid new converts will leave?

What if every UPCI pastor took the same approach DKB admitted to? How long until the UPCI looked radically different than it does right now?

Further, has DKB violated the Affirmation Statement? Is he now a liar? After all, by signing the AS he pledged to believe, embrace and teach Apostolic Identity.

[DAII]

His example of a cultural thing being the live-in boyfriend was a poor choice ... and it's going to sting him.

[Chateau d'If]

I have no axe to grind with either of these men. I just find DKB's admission somewhat of a smoking gun.

[ILG]

It doesn't seem any different than ever before. The main question is, What is biblical? Adultery? Fornication? Hair? Jewelry?

[Digging4Truth]

When we follow men rather than the Bible dead end roads are to be expected.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

His example of a cultural thing being the live-in boyfriend was a poor choice ... and it's going to sting him.

I think you misread it. He is saying it's more of a Biblical thing, and must be addressed upfront at the time of conversion. It's not simply a cultural thing that might be delayed...

The culture we live in does not understand this...

Bernard: Right.

And that forces us…the solution is to be very biblical…

Coon: Right:

Bernard: As a home missionary I had to be very biblical. I’m asking major life changes. I’m asking for a new convert that’s in a live-in relationship to move out of that relationship. That’s a huge thing. And in our culture, the question is “why? Why should I have to do that?”

So, therefore, since I know I am going to be making lots of demands, in a sense, through preaching, and teaching, and love, and counsel…I don’t want to add anything that’s really more cultural than biblical. I have enough on my hands that’s biblical without having to put my cultural, or even personal, expectations. So, a lot of things I delay. A lot of things I don’t even deal with. And, I think your appeal…when it goes more to the Bible…that’s your best chance of that convert changing their way of life.