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03-27-2011, 05:53 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
matthew23:26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
I know we have get are hearts right with God before we can worry about our ouside appearance but I am thankful for the standards that are taught to keep are inside clean..................
I have heard so many people say standards are bondage, legalism, ect…but I thank God for men of God that will stand up and take a stand on certain things for the safety of Gods people.
I don’t let my kids do a lot of things that are not “wrong” but I can see down the road to where it may lead so I don’t let them do it.
I am so thankful that there is still men of God that will take a stand for thing despite knowing that they are going to be accused of wanting to control and being a legalist and so on …. But from my experience they are just men that want a safe place for people in this dirty world.
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If standards keep the inside clean there'd be no standard keeping person that has fallen into sin. All one has to do is keep a set of standards and they are perfect.
This is reverse of what Jesus said. He said make the inside clean so the outside will be clean also.
The outside being clean is the result of an inward washing not a means to being or staying clean.
Man judges the outward appearances but God judges the heart.
Faith in Jesus. Things that affect faith like prayer and reading the word. That is what we need and that is what people lack when they fall into sin despite appearing Holy and preaching hard on standards
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-27-2011, 06:13 PM
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Re: Standards!
BTW this is what I mean about priorities being emphasized. It has nothing to do with how often they are preached.
HTG has started but a handful of threads and each were about don'ts..rules and regulations, things we DON'T do
You also participated in another thread you did not start on tv and movies. Things you don't do.
So far it's all been about rules and regulations, particularly a list of donts
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-27-2011, 06:22 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
Call them what you will, but un-biblical "standards" end up doing more damage in many cases than they do good.
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03-27-2011, 06:35 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I would use myself and my entire Mennonite family as example.
We were never heavy on the judgement of other Christians even while being ultra cons ourselves.
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We are not talking about Mennonites. We are talking about United Pentecostals, AMFer's, and other conservative and ultra con Pentecostals.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-27-2011, 07:32 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by CC1
We are not talking about Mennonites. We are talking about United Pentecostals, AMFer's, and other conservative and ultra con Pentecostals.
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Ok My brother and I and families attend UPC.
But more importantly, the point is, a conservative lifestyle or even ultra conservative need not go hand in hand with judgmentalism.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-27-2011, 10:00 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
BTW this is what I mean about priorities being emphasized. It has nothing to do with how often they are preached.
HTG has started but a handful of threads and each were about don'ts..rules and regulations, things we DON'T do
You also participated in another thread you did not start on tv and movies. Things you don't do.
So far it's all been about rules and regulations, particularly a list of donts
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This is not true therefor it is a LIE!!!....most of them may have been about this but not all of them like he has said.......look up my profile.....
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03-27-2011, 10:32 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Ok My brother and I and families attend UPC.
But more importantly, the point is, a conservative lifestyle or even ultra conservative need not go hand in hand with judgmentalism.
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You may be correct that they "need not go hand in hand with judgementalism" but my 52 years of experience in and around old time Pentecost tells me the reality is that it does the vast majority of the time.
I can't think of a single UPC church I have been a part of, have visited, or know about that would accept a person attending as saved and in right standing with God if they did not adhere to the dress code. They might be kind but would never put that person as being in good standing with God and "living right", etc.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-27-2011, 10:42 PM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by CC1
You may be correct that they "need not go hand in hand with judgementalism" but my 52 years of experience in and around old time Pentecost tells me the reality is that it does the vast majority of the time.
I can't think of a single UPC church I have been a part of, have visited, or know about that would accept a person attending as saved and in right standing with God if they did not adhere to the dress code. They might be kind but would never put that person as being in good standing with God and "living right", etc.
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I know of a handful that don't even have said (upc traditional) dress code, and quite a few others that would not make it an issue of right standing, but rather platform standards.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-28-2011, 12:23 AM
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Re: Standards!
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
This is not true therefor it is a LIE!!!....most of them may have been about this but not all of them like he has said.......look up my profile.....
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Im talking about in the last several weeks since you've started posting again. My words aren't meant to be malicious. I see a lot of emphasis on rules and regulations and even you just admitted here most of them may have been about this. Yes that is my point, most.
Lately it's been all, but in the long run it's been mostly...
That's my point. Think about it for a while bro. I don't mean this as an attack on you personally
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Last edited by Praxeas; 03-28-2011 at 02:15 AM.
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