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At the time or a little after Ananias laid hands on him.
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Sometime later in his life.
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03-31-2011, 01:37 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Actually he said that Paul MIGHT received his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Do you take the term might to mean... maybe you will... maybe you won't?
And the term below is one word that was translated into the entire phrase "thou mightest receive thy sight". It simply means... to receive one sight. it has no connotation of "iffyness". Also... that you "might" do something, in biblical terms, is saying... that you will do something.
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Did you read all my post? I don't believe either was a might or iffy. The scripture just doesn't describe the infilling as it does the eyes opened.
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03-31-2011, 01:38 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Originally Posted by onefaith2
Did you read all my post? I don't believe either was a might or iffy. The scripture just doesn't describe the infilling as it does the eyes opened.
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Must it speak of the infilling, though, to help us know whether it happened or not?
Even John Gill said this about Acts 9:17:
and be filled with the Holy Ghost; with the extraordinary gifts of the Spirit, such as speaking with divers tongues, healing diseases, and the like; for as for the graces of the Spirit, and even Gospel light and knowledge, and gifts for preaching it, he had received these already.
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03-31-2011, 01:40 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Must it speak of the infilling, though, to help us know whether it happened or not?
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No and thats my point to all those who say, HEY tongues aren't mentioned and he got the Holy Ghost, right there! The only thing that happened was his blinded eyes were opened.
My answer is, Yes thats the only thing that happened that is written because the other isn't even stated. Its pretty obvious though he got the HOly Ghost.
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03-31-2011, 01:43 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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No and thats my point to all those who say, HEY tongues aren't mentioned and he got the Holy Ghost, right there! The only thing that happened was his blinded eyes were opened.
My answer is, Yes thats the only thing that happened that is written because the other isn't even stated. Its pretty obvious though he got the HOly Ghost.
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03-31-2011, 01:44 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
Have I just made the first poll that everyone has agreed on in AFF history? WOW I think I have!
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03-31-2011, 01:45 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Have I just made the first poll that everyone has agreed on in AFF history? WOW I think I have!
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Opps I take that back, there was one guy who disagreed in the thread and I didn't give him an option for the poll so he couldn't vote 
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03-31-2011, 01:55 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Actually he said that Paul MIGHT received his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost. Do you take the term might to mean... maybe you will... maybe you won't?
And the term below is one word that was translated into the entire phrase "thou mightest receive thy sight". It simply means... to receive one sight. it has no connotation of "iffyness". Also... that you "might" do something, in biblical terms, is saying... that you will do something.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
MIGHT in the KJV means it will happen.
Right.
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03-31-2011, 01:59 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Opps I take that back, there was one guy who disagreed in the thread and I didn't give him an option for the poll so he couldn't vote |
And... I had a poll thread that asked "Was Jesus God manifest in the flesh"...
100% for... no dissenting votes. 
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03-31-2011, 03:02 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Originally Posted by onefaith2
The text doesn't mention his filling with the Holy Ghost, only says that ye might be filled. Then it simply describes scales falling from his eyes which was the other thing Ananias said that Jesus sent him to do. Why do you think the Scripture doesn't say, and he was filled with the Holy Ghost, like it does in other places?
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It does not say that.
Act 9:17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, placed his hands on Saul and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came here, has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Nor in the KJV
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Here is a problem with linguistics and why we need better translations and or to study better. "Might" does not mean "hmmmm maybe but not necessarily", at least not here. He really DID receive his sight.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-31-2011, 03:08 PM
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Re: When do you believe Paul recieved the Holy Gho
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Originally Posted by mfblume
If he received the Holy Ghost on the road to Damascus, why do we read Ananias told him after that experience on the road that he was, future tense, to receive the Holy Ghost? Acts 9:17 KJV And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
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How is that future tense?
BTW this is the same word "filled" as here
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Be Filled is not future tense. Not in the greek
The tense is, however, subjunctive which means this event is probable or possible which doesn't mean much since his healing was also probably or possible
However the healing and the filling were both connected to the action of Ananias laying hands on Paul. That was his mission, to come and lay hands on Paul so that Paul would be a) healed and b) filled...just like the song says
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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