Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

2samuel 12
22 He answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

Obvious that David thought the Child would go some were that he himself could follow. ."

Yes, David would follow him to the grave.

Originally Posted by acerrak

Mark 10:13-16 ESV
And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.

amazing That God thought the kids belong to heaven

If some one wants to condemn babies to hell, then i would say you would be a child of your father the Devil.

No, it isn't amazing. I can't derive your interpretation from the scriptures you posted. Jesus' message within those scriptures didn't indicate that children belong to heaven. He was implying you must become as a child.

Matt 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Yes, David would follow him to the grave.





No, it isn't amazing. I can't derive your interpretation from the scriptures you posted. Jesus' message within those scriptures didn't indicate that children belong to heaven. He was implying you must become as a child.

Matt 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven

then show me your biblical stand point, can you show me were babies are condemed to hell?

Tell us how you get out of any scriptures that God condems babies to hell.
and again can you show me what Sin a baby has committed that they would be condemn for. what could the accuser of man accuse this baby of in front of God?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Yes, David would follow him to the grave.





No, it isn't amazing. I can't derive your interpretation from the scriptures you posted. Jesus' message within those scriptures didn't indicate that children belong to heaven. He was implying you must become as a child.

Matt 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven

Lets look were david said he was Going. and he didnt state the grave.
pslams 23:6
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Now show me your biblical stand point, can you show me were babies are condemed to hell?

Tell us how you get out of any scruptures that God condems babies to hell.
and again can you show me what Sin a baby has committed.

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I edited my post but for some reason it created a second post.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

then show me your biblical stand point, can you show me were babies are condemed to hell?

Tell us how you get out of any scriptures that God condems babies to hell.
and again can you show me what Sin a baby has committed that they would be condemn for. what could the accuser of man accuse this baby of in front of God?

Really? You should read all my responses to Praxeas, you'll get your answers there.

Are infants a part of humanity, yes or no?

All I've read is your own opinion without any scripture defending your stance. How about you show me scriptures referencing that infants aren't sinners?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Lets look were david said he was Going. and he didnt state the grave.
pslams 23:6
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Here David speaks:

Psalms 61:4
I long to dwell in your tent forever and take refuge in the shelter of your wings. Selah

Did David desire to dwell in a tent or house for eternity? The answer is neither. In these scriptures David expresses his longing of serving and dwelling within God's house, a physical Tabernacle, a literal place of worship (Psalms 23:6) or (Psalms 61:4) within the "tent" where the ark of the covenant was located.


Here again David comments:

Psalms 27:4
One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple.


Psalms 26:8
I love the house where you live, O LORD, the place where your glory dwells.

Within all these scriptures David denotes his desire to live a long life in God's service while dwelling in a physical structure on Earth.

[acerrak]

Do you belive babies Go to hell.
Cause only a carnal minded man would believe that.

again you dance around my question. what sin has a baby commited.
There is no sin in the Child just for being born. because the Bible states that God formed the baby.

Now How could a perfect and Holy God create anything with Sin already in it?
Sin is a choice, its something we choose todo, exspecially to gratify and pleasure our own lust and desires over that Of Gods will.

Sin is in essence turning you back to God and saying God i dont need to listen to you. Im gonna go my own way.

Will a baby grow up to do this? Yes have they yet? No

Then how can you declare that babies goto hell when they have no commited aqny act of rebellion in ther sight of God?

Being Born into this world Doesnt make you a sinner. Your lust and hearts desire over God is what makes you a sinner.

Even Paul stated I was alive at one time. But then the Law came, sin sprang up and i died.

How can the Law condem a baby who has not even broke it? serious
you make a straw mans argument off of all have sin. He didnt write that letter to new born babies. He wrote it to adults who are accountable for there own actions.

it sickens me to think that a person actually believes babies go to hell. if anything God rescued them from having to live in a sinful world.

[Austin]

Here's a simple question! If you were God and had to judge would you condemn a baby to hell?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Austin

Here's a simple question! If you were God and had to judge would you condemn a baby to hell?

whats even worse. Is that saying a baby is going to hell because of sin Thats saying God creates sin.

Cause God forms the Child in their mother womb, and in order for it to have sin to be condemned God would have to put sin in that Child. Since it has not broken any of the law or commandments that God has set fourth. The baby hasnt even had a chance to use its free will.

The Sin had to be put into it from the time it was formed, and since God formed it. Jacob is basically stating that God creates sin.

That is why God gives us a dicerning Spirit.

You have 3 men with three different views of the Godhead who usually argue over it. Yet all three of us. aquilla , myself, and prax agree that a baby is inocent on the sheer bases that they have not even comnitted a act of sin.

Yet this man who is trying to make a straw mans arguement, which with what he is saying is in my view a carnal minded person, cant comprehend scriptures, were God is stating to the apostles you need to become like these Children.

why cause there innocent in the Sight of God

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Do you belive babies Go to hell.
Cause only a carnal minded man would believe that.

again you dance around my question. what sin has a baby commited.
There is no sin in the Child just for being born. because the Bible states that God formed the baby.

Humanity is born with a wicked heart. Jeremiah 17:9 reads, "The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked...."

We are born with a heart of "stone", a wicked/sinful "heart." It's for that reason that God states, Ezekiel 36:26, "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh."

Originally Posted by acerrak

Now How could a perfect and Holy God create anything with Sin already in it?.

Psalms 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners; even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.

David declares man as being alienated from God as early as the womb. Remember, David also claimed being a sinner himself in infancy.

Acerrak, please describe David's comment of "people are born sinners."

Originally Posted by acerrak

Sin is a choice, its something we choose todo, exspecially to gratify and pleasure our own lust and desires over that Of Gods will.

Sin is in essence turning you back to God and saying God i dont need to listen to you. Im gonna go my own way.

Will a baby grow up to do this? Yes have they yet? No

Then how can you declare that babies goto hell when they have no commited aqny act of rebellion in ther sight of God?

Being Born into this world Doesnt make you a sinner. Your lust and hearts desire over God is what makes you a sinner.

Even Paul stated I was alive at one time. But then the Law came, sin sprang up and i died.

How can the Law condem a baby who has not even broke it? serious
you make a straw mans argument off of all have sin. He didnt write that letter to new born babies. He wrote it to adults who are accountable for there own actions.

it sickens me to think that a person actually believes babies go to hell. if anything God rescued them from having to live in a sinful world.

Once again you just post "your opinion." I asked you for valid scripture referencing where infants are sinless.

Here is a repost of what I wrote to Praxeas:

David states in Psalms 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." In David's psalm he reflects on his life and openly admits being a sinner at birth. David isn't referencing his mother creating him while committing adultery.

In Psalms 86:16 David prays to God, "Turn to me and have mercy on me; grant your strength to your servant and save the son of your maidservant"

Here David plainly indicated his mother was God's maidservant, a women who devoted and committed her life to God. In Psalms 51:5, David plainly stated he was in sin at birth.


Acerrrak, David clearly contradicts your method of belief. He states he was a sinner while being an infant, but you state infants are sinless. Who is correct, David or yourself?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Austin

Here's a simple question! If you were God and had to judge would you condemn a baby to hell?

How many babies died in the era of Noah's flood? Did God spare those babies then?

I would adhere to my word if I was God. I would judge according to what I have spoken.