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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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because baptism is the NT circumcision
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09-23-2011, 09:41 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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I think he's trying to say that if baptism is where the body of sin is cut off, (iow, no more sin but now righteousness) then Abraham could not have been righteous until he got circumcised.
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09-23-2011, 09:42 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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Abe was saved, if you will, before circumcision. What many are promoting is a salvation through/after (spiritual) circumcsion.
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09-23-2011, 09:43 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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because baptism is the NT circumcision
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I have heard this statement, but how is this true? 'cause honestly, I was baptized twice as an adult, but my heart surely was not circumcised UNTIL the day I got the baptism of the HolyGhost.
What scripture states baptism is the NT circumcision?
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09-23-2011, 09:44 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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Abraham's faith before circumcision imputed righteousness. Think on these things.
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That is very important to know. But it implies the faith Abraham had was the kind of faith that God knew WOULD WORK. In other words, God knew Abraham would submit to circumcision before Abraham did it because God knew the heart of Abraham that believed had the kind of faith that was alive and WOULD WORK, or WOULD OBEY.
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09-23-2011, 09:44 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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I have heard this statement, but how is this true? 'cause honestly, I was baptized twice as an adult, but my heart surely was not circumcised UNTIL the day I got the baptism of the HolyGhost.
What scripture states baptism is the NT circumcision?
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Col 2:11-12.
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09-23-2011, 09:45 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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I think he's trying to say that if baptism is where the body of sin is cut off, (iow, no more sin but now righteousness) then Abraham could not have been righteous until he got circumcised.
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Col 2:11-12 is not speaking about righteousness, though.
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09-23-2011, 09:46 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
NO OT type is perfect that is why it is called a shadow or type the argument is moot. IN the NT ONLY at baptism are the sins of the penitent remitted.
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09-23-2011, 09:55 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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NO OT type is perfect that is why it is called a shadow or type the argument is moot. IN the NT ONLY at baptism are the sins of the penitent remitted.
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Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Also, consider what Peter said again:
Acts 15
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Their hearts were already purified by God even before they were baptized.
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09-23-2011, 09:58 AM
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Re: Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Also, consider what Peter said again:
Acts 15
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Their hearts were already purified by God even before they were baptized.
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I agree with all your points, but baptism was still demanded, and without it I think they would be lost if they refused it. Abraham was deemed righteous before circumcision, but do you think God would have done that had God seen his heart would refuse circumcision when it was required of him?
Baptism is a SIGNATURE on a contract, so to speak. God's seal is the Holy Ghost. Ours is baptism. It is part of cutting the covenant.
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