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Re: He who restraineth???
I posted this some time back...
In 2 Thessalonians 2, we read about a man of sin and son of perdition. A falling away occurs and then this person is revealed. He opposes and exalts himself above all that is of God, and exalts himself in the temple. He proposes that he is God, himself.
For the sake of information and strong consideration let me show what history has stated, as well as witnesses from believers through the centuries as to who the son of perdition may refer to, although we may not agree with everything the following believers wrote or believed in other issues of truth.
Victorinus spoke of the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians and proposed it involved Rome and the wicked one being Nero.
“And after many plagues completed in the world, in the end he says that a beast ascended from the abyss…that is, of the Romans. Moreover that he was in the kingdom of the Romans, and that he was among the Caesars. The Apostle Paul also bears witness, for he says to the Thessalonians: Let him who now restraineth restrain, until he be taken out of the way; and then shall appear the Wicked One, even he whose coming is after the working of Satan, with signs an lying wonders.’ And that they might know that he should come who then was the prince, he adds: ‘He already endeavours after the secret of mischief’ – that is, the mischief which he is about to do he strives to do secretly; but he is not raised up by his own power, nor by that of his father, but by command of God.”
Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, ad 11:7; Ante-Nicene Fathers, p. 354 Augustine (A.D. 354-430) is even more explicit:
“Some think that these words refer to the Roman empire, and that the apostle Paul did not wish to write more explicitly, lest he should incur a charge of calumny against the Roman empire, in wishing ill to it when men hoped that it was to be everlasting. So in the words: ‘For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work’ he referred to Nero, whose deeds already seemed to be as those of Antichrist.”
Augustine, City of God, XX, xix; cf., Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V, xxv-xxviii; Lactanius, Divine Inst. VII, xxv J. Stuart Russell wrote these words in the Parousia of Christ,
“At that time Nero was not yet ‘manifested;’ his true character was not discovered; he had not yet succeeded to the Empire. Claudius, his step-father, lived, and stood in the way of the son of Agrippina. But that hindrance was soon removed. In less than a year, probably, after this epistle was received by the Thessalonians, Claudius was ‘taken out of the way,’ a victim to the deadly practice of the infamous Agrippina; her son also, according to Suetonius, being accessory to the deed.”
J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia (1887, London, T. Fisher Unwin; republished 1983, 1999 by Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI), pp. 182, 183 It is interesting that some Greek scholars have noted that "he who letteth" is the Greek phrase, "ha katechon." And in Latin, this is translated to "qui claudit." Some believe this is a somewhat subtle way of pointing the finger at Claudius Caesar who ruled before Nero, and that when Claudius was removed from office as Caesar, Nero would be revealed. A similar belief is held about the number of the Beast, 666, being the gematriacal equivalent to Neron Keser, or Nero Caesar. It is a historical fact that Claudius held back persecution of the church. He commanded a ruling entitled "religio licita" which disallowed Christian persecution and even banished some Jews from Rome because of their riots against "Chrestus", referring to Christ and Christians. (Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, Claudius, XXV, 4. Cf. Acts 18:2). This means Jews could not persecute the church so long as Claudius remained in power. His wife, Agrippina, poisoned him and her son, Nero, came to power, showing that the one who restrained was removed so the wicked one could be revealed. Nero's wife Poppaea was a Jewish proselyte and brought the Jews back into favour in Rome. The mystery of iniquity, which could be seen as antichristian power of persecution, was then allowed back as Nero became emperor.
Lactantius (A.D. 260-330) wrote:
And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the rue religion, built up a faithful and stedfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and , condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul; nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the a burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen.
Lactantius, Of the Manner in which the Persecutors Died, Chpt. II; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. VII, p. 302; cf. Divine Institutes, VII, xvii Chrysostom (A.D. 347 to 407) wrote: "For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work." He speaks here of Nero... But he did not also wish to point him out plainly: and this not from cowardice, but instructing us not to bring upon ourselves unnecessary enmities, when there is nothing to call for it.
St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on II Thess., Nicene-Post Nicene Fathers, Vol. XXIII What about the charge of lying wonders? History shows that Nero was hailed in Rome as "Nero the Hercules. Nero the Apollo. Thou August, August! Sacred voice! Eternal one." (Commentary on Apocalypse , Chapter 8, If one calls himself a God, then it stands to reason he claims to perform wonders and supernatural miracles.
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I posted this some time back...
In 2 Thessalonians 2, we read about a man of sin and son of perdition. A falling away occurs and then this person is revealed. He opposes and exalts himself above all that is of God, and exalts himself in the temple. He proposes that he is God, himself.
For the sake of information and strong consideration let me show what history has stated, as well as witnesses from believers through the centuries as to who the son of perdition may refer to, although we may not agree with everything the following believers wrote or believed in other issues of truth.
Victorinus spoke of the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians and proposed it involved Rome and the wicked one being Nero.
“And after many plagues completed in the world, in the end he says that a beast ascended from the abyss…that is, of the Romans. Moreover that he was in the kingdom of the Romans, and that he was among the Caesars. The Apostle Paul also bears witness, for he says to the Thessalonians: Let him who now restraineth restrain, until he be taken out of the way; and then shall appear the Wicked One, even he whose coming is after the working of Satan, with signs an lying wonders.’ And that they might know that he should come who then was the prince, he adds: ‘He already endeavours after the secret of mischief’ – that is, the mischief which he is about to do he strives to do secretly; but he is not raised up by his own power, nor by that of his father, but by command of God.”
Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, ad 11:7; Ante-Nicene Fathers, p. 354 Augustine (A.D. 354-430) is even more explicit:
“Some think that these words refer to the Roman empire, and that the apostle Paul did not wish to write more explicitly, lest he should incur a charge of calumny against the Roman empire, in wishing ill to it when men hoped that it was to be everlasting. So in the words: ‘For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work’ he referred to Nero, whose deeds already seemed to be as those of Antichrist.”
Augustine, City of God, XX, xix; cf., Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V, xxv-xxviii; Lactanius, Divine Inst. VII, xxv J. Stuart Russell wrote these words in the Parousia of Christ,
“At that time Nero was not yet ‘manifested;’ his true character was not discovered; he had not yet succeeded to the Empire. Claudius, his step-father, lived, and stood in the way of the son of Agrippina. But that hindrance was soon removed. In less than a year, probably, after this epistle was received by the Thessalonians, Claudius was ‘taken out of the way,’ a victim to the deadly practice of the infamous Agrippina; her son also, according to Suetonius, being accessory to the deed.”
J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia (1887, London, T. Fisher Unwin; republished 1983, 1999 by Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI), pp. 182, 183 It is interesting that some Greek scholars have noted that "he who letteth" is the Greek phrase, "ha katechon." And in Latin, this is translated to "qui claudit." Some believe this is a somewhat subtle way of pointing the finger at Claudius Caesar who ruled before Nero, and that when Claudius was removed from office as Caesar, Nero would be revealed. A similar belief is held about the number of the Beast, 666, being the gematriacal equivalent to Neron Keser, or Nero Caesar. It is a historical fact that Claudius held back persecution of the church. He commanded a ruling entitled "religio licita" which disallowed Christian persecution and even banished some Jews from Rome because of their riots against "Chrestus", referring to Christ and Christians. (Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, Claudius, XXV, 4. Cf. Acts 18:2). This means Jews could not persecute the church so long as Claudius remained in power. His wife, Agrippina, poisoned him and her son, Nero, came to power, showing that the one who restrained was removed so the wicked one could be revealed. Nero's wife Poppaea was a Jewish proselyte and brought the Jews back into favour in Rome. The mystery of iniquity, which could be seen as antichristian power of persecution, was then allowed back as Nero became emperor.
Lactantius (A.D. 260-330) wrote:
And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the rue religion, built up a faithful and stedfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and , condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul; nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the a burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen.
Lactantius, Of the Manner in which the Persecutors Died, Chpt. II; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. VII, p. 302; cf. Divine Institutes, VII, xvii Chrysostom (A.D. 347 to 407) wrote: "For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work." He speaks here of Nero... But he did not also wish to point him out plainly: and this not from cowardice, but instructing us not to bring upon ourselves unnecessary enmities, when there is nothing to call for it.
St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on II Thess., Nicene-Post Nicene Fathers, Vol. XXIII What about the charge of lying wonders? History shows that Nero was hailed in Rome as "Nero the Hercules. Nero the Apollo. Thou August, August! Sacred voice! Eternal one." (Commentary on Apocalypse , Chapter 8, If one calls himself a God, then it stands to reason he claims to perform wonders and supernatural miracles.
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I posted this some time back...
In 2 Thessalonians 2, we read about a man of sin and son of perdition. A falling away occurs and then this person is revealed. He opposes and exalts himself above all that is of God, and exalts himself in the temple. He proposes that he is God, himself.
For the sake of information and strong consideration let me show what history has stated, as well as witnesses from believers through the centuries as to who the son of perdition may refer to, although we may not agree with everything the following believers wrote or believed in other issues of truth.
Victorinus spoke of the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians and proposed it involved Rome and the wicked one being Nero.
“And after many plagues completed in the world, in the end he says that a beast ascended from the abyss…that is, of the Romans. Moreover that he was in the kingdom of the Romans, and that he was among the Caesars. The Apostle Paul also bears witness, for he says to the Thessalonians: Let him who now restraineth restrain, until he be taken out of the way; and then shall appear the Wicked One, even he whose coming is after the working of Satan, with signs an lying wonders.’ And that they might know that he should come who then was the prince, he adds: ‘He already endeavours after the secret of mischief’ – that is, the mischief which he is about to do he strives to do secretly; but he is not raised up by his own power, nor by that of his father, but by command of God.”
Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, ad 11:7; Ante-Nicene Fathers, p. 354 Augustine (A.D. 354-430) is even more explicit:
“Some think that these words refer to the Roman empire, and that the apostle Paul did not wish to write more explicitly, lest he should incur a charge of calumny against the Roman empire, in wishing ill to it when men hoped that it was to be everlasting. So in the words: ‘For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work’ he referred to Nero, whose deeds already seemed to be as those of Antichrist.”
Augustine, City of God, XX, xix; cf., Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V, xxv-xxviii; Lactanius, Divine Inst. VII, xxv J. Stuart Russell wrote these words in the Parousia of Christ,
“At that time Nero was not yet ‘manifested;’ his true character was not discovered; he had not yet succeeded to the Empire. Claudius, his step-father, lived, and stood in the way of the son of Agrippina. But that hindrance was soon removed. In less than a year, probably, after this epistle was received by the Thessalonians, Claudius was ‘taken out of the way,’ a victim to the deadly practice of the infamous Agrippina; her son also, according to Suetonius, being accessory to the deed.”
J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia (1887, London, T. Fisher Unwin; republished 1983, 1999 by Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI), pp. 182, 183 It is interesting that some Greek scholars have noted that "he who letteth" is the Greek phrase, "ha katechon." And in Latin, this is translated to "qui claudit." Some believe this is a somewhat subtle way of pointing the finger at Claudius Caesar who ruled before Nero, and that when Claudius was removed from office as Caesar, Nero would be revealed. A similar belief is held about the number of the Beast, 666, being the gematriacal equivalent to Neron Keser, or Nero Caesar. It is a historical fact that Claudius held back persecution of the church. He commanded a ruling entitled "religio licita" which disallowed Christian persecution and even banished some Jews from Rome because of their riots against "Chrestus", referring to Christ and Christians. (Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, Claudius, XXV, 4. Cf. Acts 18:2). This means Jews could not persecute the church so long as Claudius remained in power. His wife, Agrippina, poisoned him and her son, Nero, came to power, showing that the one who restrained was removed so the wicked one could be revealed. Nero's wife Poppaea was a Jewish proselyte and brought the Jews back into favour in Rome. The mystery of iniquity, which could be seen as antichristian power of persecution, was then allowed back as Nero became emperor.
Lactantius (A.D. 260-330) wrote:
And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the rue religion, built up a faithful and stedfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and , condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul; nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the a burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen.
Lactantius, Of the Manner in which the Persecutors Died, Chpt. II; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. VII, p. 302; cf. Divine Institutes, VII, xvii Chrysostom (A.D. 347 to 407) wrote: "For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work." He speaks here of Nero... But he did not also wish to point him out plainly: and this not from cowardice, but instructing us not to bring upon ourselves unnecessary enmities, when there is nothing to call for it.
St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on II Thess., Nicene-Post Nicene Fathers, Vol. XXIII What about the charge of lying wonders? History shows that Nero was hailed in Rome as "Nero the Hercules. Nero the Apollo. Thou August, August! Sacred voice! Eternal one." (Commentary on Apocalypse , Chapter 8, If one calls himself a God, then it stands to reason he claims to perform wonders and supernatural miracles.
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I posted this some time back...
In 2 Thessalonians 2, we read about a man of sin and son of perdition. A falling away occurs and then this person is revealed. He opposes and exalts himself above all that is of God, and exalts himself in the temple. He proposes that he is God, himself.
For the sake of information and strong consideration let me show what history has stated, as well as witnesses from believers through the centuries as to who the son of perdition may refer to, although we may not agree with everything the following believers wrote or believed in other issues of truth.
Victorinus spoke of the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians and proposed it involved Rome and the wicked one being Nero.
“And after many plagues completed in the world, in the end he says that a beast ascended from the abyss…that is, of the Romans. Moreover that he was in the kingdom of the Romans, and that he was among the Caesars. The Apostle Paul also bears witness, for he says to the Thessalonians: Let him who now restraineth restrain, until he be taken out of the way; and then shall appear the Wicked One, even he whose coming is after the working of Satan, with signs an lying wonders.’ And that they might know that he should come who then was the prince, he adds: ‘He already endeavours after the secret of mischief’ – that is, the mischief which he is about to do he strives to do secretly; but he is not raised up by his own power, nor by that of his father, but by command of God.”
Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, ad 11:7; Ante-Nicene Fathers, p. 354 Augustine (A.D. 354-430) is even more explicit:
“Some think that these words refer to the Roman empire, and that the apostle Paul did not wish to write more explicitly, lest he should incur a charge of calumny against the Roman empire, in wishing ill to it when men hoped that it was to be everlasting. So in the words: ‘For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work’ he referred to Nero, whose deeds already seemed to be as those of Antichrist.”
Augustine, City of God, XX, xix; cf., Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V, xxv-xxviii; Lactanius, Divine Inst. VII, xxv J. Stuart Russell wrote these words in the Parousia of Christ,
“At that time Nero was not yet ‘manifested;’ his true character was not discovered; he had not yet succeeded to the Empire. Claudius, his step-father, lived, and stood in the way of the son of Agrippina. But that hindrance was soon removed. In less than a year, probably, after this epistle was received by the Thessalonians, Claudius was ‘taken out of the way,’ a victim to the deadly practice of the infamous Agrippina; her son also, according to Suetonius, being accessory to the deed.”
J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia (1887, London, T. Fisher Unwin; republished 1983, 1999 by Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI), pp. 182, 183 It is interesting that some Greek scholars have noted that "he who letteth" is the Greek phrase, "ha katechon." And in Latin, this is translated to "qui claudit." Some believe this is a somewhat subtle way of pointing the finger at Claudius Caesar who ruled before Nero, and that when Claudius was removed from office as Caesar, Nero would be revealed. A similar belief is held about the number of the Beast, 666, being the gematriacal equivalent to Neron Keser, or Nero Caesar. It is a historical fact that Claudius held back persecution of the church. He commanded a ruling entitled "religio licita" which disallowed Christian persecution and even banished some Jews from Rome because of their riots against "Chrestus", referring to Christ and Christians. (Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, Claudius, XXV, 4. Cf. Acts 18:2). This means Jews could not persecute the church so long as Claudius remained in power. His wife, Agrippina, poisoned him and her son, Nero, came to power, showing that the one who restrained was removed so the wicked one could be revealed. Nero's wife Poppaea was a Jewish proselyte and brought the Jews back into favour in Rome. The mystery of iniquity, which could be seen as antichristian power of persecution, was then allowed back as Nero became emperor.
Lactantius (A.D. 260-330) wrote:
And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the rue religion, built up a faithful and stedfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and , condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul; nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the a burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen.
Lactantius, Of the Manner in which the Persecutors Died, Chpt. II; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. VII, p. 302; cf. Divine Institutes, VII, xvii Chrysostom (A.D. 347 to 407) wrote: "For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work." He speaks here of Nero... But he did not also wish to point him out plainly: and this not from cowardice, but instructing us not to bring upon ourselves unnecessary enmities, when there is nothing to call for it.
St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on II Thess., Nicene-Post Nicene Fathers, Vol. XXIII What about the charge of lying wonders? History shows that Nero was hailed in Rome as "Nero the Hercules. Nero the Apollo. Thou August, August! Sacred voice! Eternal one." (Commentary on Apocalypse , Chapter 8, If one calls himself a God, then it stands to reason he claims to perform wonders and supernatural miracles.
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Nero was the man of sin? When was he revealed in the temple of God showing himself as God? And if this took place 2000 years ago what happened to the coming of Jesus? Far out man.
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Nero was the man of sin? When was he revealed in the temple of God showing himself as God? And if this took place 2000 years ago what happened to the coming of Jesus? Far out man.
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Nero was the man of sin? When was he revealed in the temple of God showing himself as God? And if this took place 2000 years ago what happened to the coming of Jesus? Far out man.
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You know better than to ask these questions. lol. Nero said he was God and commanded a statue of himself to be made and adored that was 200 feet high. Jesus is coming again, which you KNOW I believe, but he came in localized judgment against Jerusalem according to Matt 24 and Matt 21:40 2000 years ago. Like I said elsewhere, the details of who Jesus said the harlot were and Jesus' words to those standing and hearing Him, who would be alive when He came, reveal it all. You have to deny Christ's own words about the whore's identity to remain post trib.
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=36455
2 Thess 1 says His coming would be with vengeance on those who persecuted the Thessalonians 2,000 years ago. That cannot be so if THAT coming is yet in our future.
2Th 1:4-10 KJV So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: (6) Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; (7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
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Re: He who restraineth???
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You know better than to ask these questions. lol. Nero said he was God and commanded a statue of himself to be made and adored that was 200 feet high. Jesus is coming again, which you KNOW I believe, but he came in localized judgment against Jerusalem according to Matt 24 and Matt 21:40 2000 years ago. Like I said elsewhere, the details of who Jesus said the harlot were and Jesus' words to those standing and hearing Him, who would be alive when He came, reveal it all. You have to deny Christ's own words about the whore's identity to remain post trib.
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=36455
2 Thess 1 says His coming would be with vengeance on those who persecuted the Thessalonians 2,000 years ago. That cannot be so if THAT coming is yet in our future.
2Th 1:4-10 KJV So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: (6) Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; (7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
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Where in particular can I read more about Nero/statue?
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Where in particular can I read more about Nero/statue?
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I googled it after someone told me about it. Acutally it was 120 ft. high. My mistake. It was called the Colossus. The colosseum was named after the statue!
http://www.unrv.com/culture/colosseum.php
The Colosseum, (the Flavian Amphitheatre) is one of Rome's most famous buildings and enduring monuments to the culture of the ancient Romans. Construction was initiated by the Emperor Vespasian around 72 AD. His son Titus reigned over its completion and the official opening ceremonies, about 8 years later, in 80 AD. It was built near the site of Nero's Domus Aurea "Golden House". This is significant in that his successor, Vespasian wanted to erase the memory of Nero's extravagant reign from the minds of Romans. It got its popular name, the Colosseum, because of Nero's colossus (120 ft. high) statue of himself, which was nearby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Nero
The Colossus Neronis was an enormous, 30 m bronze statue that the Emperor Nero (37–68 AD) erected in the vestibule of his Domus Aurea, the imperial villa complex on the Palatine Hill. It was modified by Nero's successors into a statue of the sun god Sol Invictus. It is last mentioned in the 4th century AD. The Colosseum is probably named after the statue that stood near its site, but not by the Romans themselves or other people many centuries after them.
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09-27-2011, 07:42 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
Where is MTD's Antichrist going to sit? There is no temple, not one stone...
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