They didn't ask what should we do to be saved. That is not correct. They asked what should they do now, after he preached the gospel and told them in verse 21 that if they call on the Lord they will be saved. They were saved then they asked now what...IMO.
so now they are saved before they repented.
Nice.
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What most people can't understand is how it meshes with the statement "You must be born of the Water and of the Spirit". "You must be Born Again." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." "Baptism doth also now save us." etc.
Hence why the UPCI's motto was "The Whole Gospel, to the Whole World." They were not talking about their "standards", but the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ and Salvation.
Some preach "Believe" but no action.
Some preach "Action" but no Spirit.
Some preach "Spirit and Believe" but no action.
Apostolics preach Believe, Action and Spirit. The Whole Gospel.
I think when you, anyone, reads the full chapter it's clear that in verse 21 he tells them to call on the Lord and they will be saved. I believe they accepted Jesus and were saved then were "pricked in their hearts" after they heard him preach the Gospel. I believe when they asked, "What shall we do?" I don't think Peter then tells them a different way to be saved. I think that Peter tells them basically, "Now that you have called on the name of the Lord and are saved now go and be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and then you shall receive the gift of the HS." That's how I see it.
So anytime the Spirit convicts you and you ask "what do I do?", according to your beliefs, you are now saved? That is a farce.
So say you committed adultery, the Spirit then convicts, and you realize what you did was wrong. You then ask "what do I do?", you are saying that nothing else is required?
The "What do I do?" is quick reference to "What do I do to be saved?" or "What do I do to make recompense." or "What do I do for forgiveness".
Peter replied to them "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins."
Please read biblical documentation with out applying your own pre-suppositions
JT, if the people were saved, wasn't it redundant for Peter to tell them to repent?
No. In grammar class we all, mostly, were taught that things in a sentence between commas can be omitted from sentences and the sentence still mean the same thing. The reason we include something between commas is to give a lil' further info to was discussed already or to remind the person reading or listening to what the topic is. I believe it like this, "Then Peter said to them be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins you shall receive the HG..." I think when he said "repent" he was talking about the whole thing like this, "They asked what shall we do? Peter said, Repent ( which you already have done )..." I could be wrong, but this is what I believe he was saying. Not saying they were saved before repentance, but he was recounting what the process of salvation is. Repent, call on the lord and you are saved, then be baptized for the remission of sins and then you will receive the HG....
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I was talking to my daughter yesterday about some new young people we have been working with and who are very excited about what they are seeing and feeling in the services they have attended.
We got on the subject of Acts 2:38. It's pretty amazing how we can begin to read a statement as one block of text and not see what's in there.
Acts 2:38 was a response to a question. What must we do (to be saved is the understood point of the question.
Peters answers states the following
1. Repent
2. Be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of your sins.
And then you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
You must do this...
Then you will receive this...
If someone asked what must we do to be a member of your club and I responded...
1. Fill out this information sheet.
2. Pay your dues.
Then you will receive a plaque stating your are a member of our club. There are 2 things that are their responsibility to fulfill. The other is my reaction to their fulfillment of their responsibilities.
So... I am making this thread to simply make this statement.
Peters response to the question of what one must do (to be saved) was this.
1. Repent
2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins
That is his response to the question of what one must do. The rest of the verse is his telling of what God promises to do once you do what Peter had instructed.
There is more to say but I'll leave it at that for right now.
Don't forget... before one can repent, be baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost... it is the subtle prick in the awakened heart that causes one to even ask the question.
Acts 2:37
King James Version (KJV)
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
God MUST awaken the sinner to their need for a Saviour and convict of sin BEFORE repentance, baptism, or infilling can be profitable. Salvation begins by a sovereign move of God upon the heart of the sinner. Not just anyone can choose to obey Acts 2:38 and be saved in accordance to their own will. If their being "born again" isn't being "born of God"... we just dunked a religionist and shook them into jabbering.
John 1:13
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (KJV)
So anytime the Spirit convicts you and you ask "what do I do?", according to your beliefs, you are now saved? That is a farce.
So say you committed adultery, the Spirit then convicts, and you realize what you did was wrong. You then ask "what do I do?", you are saying that nothing else is required?
The "What do I do?" is quick reference to "What do I do to be saved?" or "What do I do to make recompense." or "What do I do for forgiveness".
Peter replied to them "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins."
Please read biblical documentation with out applying your own pre-suppositions
I didn't explain it that way and that is not what I was trying to say either. I am saying that in verse 21 Peter tells them what to do to be saved, call on the name of the Lord... then he preaches the message. After hearing the message they are convicted and he tells them to repent/call on the name of the Lord they repent, call on the name of the Lord and are saved and he says to also be baptized and then they will receive the HG.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
No. In grammar class we all, mostly, were taught that things in a sentence between commas can be omitted from sentences and the sentence still mean the same thing. The reason we include something between commas is to give a lil' further info to was discussed already or to remind the person reading or listening to what the topic is. I believe it like this, "Then Peter said to them be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins you shall receive the HG..." I think when he said "repent" he was talking about the whole thing like this, "They asked what shall we do? Peter said, Repent ( which you already have done )..." I could be wrong, but this is what I believe he was saying. Not saying they were saved before repentance, but he was recounting what the process of salvation is. Repent, call on the lord and you are saved, then be baptized for the remission of sins and then you will receive the HG....
Makes sense. So is it safe to assume that by for, you mean BECAUSE OF the remission of sins?
What most people can't understand is how it meshes with the statement "You must be born of the Water and of the Spirit". "You must be Born Again." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." "Baptism doth also now save us." etc.
Hence why the UPCI's motto was "The Whole Gospel, to the Whole World." They were not talking about their "standards", but the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ and Salvation.
Some preach "Believe" but no action.
Some preach "Action" but no Spirit.
Some preach "Spirit and Believe" but no action.
Apostolics preach Believe, Action and Spirit. The Whole Gospel.
Just to clear the air, Jesus was not talking about baptism in John 3:3-8. This parallel is a complete misnomer when arguing the point about water baptism. Water is the physical birth. Jesus said, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and nowhere in verse 8 did Jesus say anything about water when alluding to being born of the Spirit.
Don't forget... before one can repent, be baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost... it is the subtle prick in the awakened heart that causes one to even ask the question.
Acts 2:37
King James Version (KJV)
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
God MUST awaken the sinner to their need for a Saviour and convict of sin BEFORE repentance, baptism, or infilling can be profitable. Salvation begins by a sovereign move of God upon the heart of the sinner. Not just anyone can choose to obey Acts 2:38 and be saved in accordance to their own will. If their being "born again" isn't being "born of God"... we just dunked a religionist and shook them into jabbering.
John 1:13
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (KJV)
One is not saved at the prick of the heart. Wouldn't you agree?
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