Restoration of the kingdom to Israel

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by berkeley

where does the bible say that the kingdom will be restored to israel? the physical kingdom taken from the romans and given back to the jews?

Are you awaiting the coming of messiah to destroy Israel's enemies and set up a kingdom where gentile will serve the Jew? That's what the Jews are waiting for.

Well, that's why I'm asking. The disciples seemed to have the notion that a kingdom would be restored to Israel (whether physical or spiritual, i'm not sure).

But the disciples were expecting a kingdom restoration to Israel, else why would they have asked the question in Acts 1:6?

So i'm trying to see what others think. Is it spiritual? Is it physical?

We know the kingdom was definitely taken from them as per Jesus' own words in Matt 21:43.
Matt 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So based on Jesus' statement, I guess the kingdom taken from Israel was a spiritual kingdom. So does this mean the spiritual kingdom will someday be restored Israel? (the disciples seem to be expecting such restoration based on Acts 1:6)

[houston]

I have never looked at it like that. Things that make you go, hmm. If it does happen I don't see it taking place the way that the darbyites believe. EVEN Mike Blume somewot makes room for that possibility when he says, "If God returned to the Jews I have no problem with that."

[Rudy]

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

How does this pertain to Acts 1:6?

[houston]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How does this pertain to Acts 1:6?

it doesn't, unless you believe that the Jews will be receptive to the return of messiah and He is going to give them rule ovah the world.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How does this pertain to Acts 1:6?

For me it seems they were looking for a fleshly kingdom of Jews. There missing what Jesus told them.

Those that are in Christ are that promised seed.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Are we to go back to a natural kingdom?

[houston]

The leadership of the assembly that I attend believes "God hasn't fulfilled all of His covenants with Israel." That is a direct quote from the pulpit.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Rudy

For me it seems they were looking for a fleshly kingdom of Jews. There missing what Jesus told them.

Those that are in Christ are that promised seed.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Are we to go back to a natural kingdom?

But Jesus' answer was more in the light of "the kingdom you're (the disciples) expecting will come, but don't worry about the timing...

Acts 1
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

We see that Jesus did not say the kingdom will not come, but that they just should not worry about the timing...

Anyway, this question asked by the disciples was something that puzzled me...

I think another thing also would be if we determine what/when the kingdom was taken from Israel

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by houston

The leadership of the assembly that I attend believes "God hasn't fulfilled all of His covenants with Israel." That is a direct quote from the pulpit.

Any example of an unfulfilled covenant?

[Rudy]

Good topic.