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Old 10-27-2011, 08:55 AM
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you are on the slippery lope brother.

the only intity that can "allow" or "disallow" is the government.

Eitehr a private company can do this or we ceed power to the government to decide.
I think it is they who are on the slippery slope. The slippery slope of allowing corporations to rule our personal lives when we are not on the job.

And government isn't the only solution. Government isn't a solution at all in my opinion.

This can, and should, be handled in the courts by a jury of our peers.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:59 AM
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I think if an employer can tell you want to do in your own home and on your own time... they should be paying you for those hours you're beholden to their will.

Corporate power at it's worst. I know the corporations already bought the government on this issue. But I'd march into the director's office and tell him that I'm an American and that I'm free to do what I wish on my own time. If he wants to command that I not smoke in my own home, on my private time, he can pay the God foresaken mortgage, and pay me by the hour as I watch TV and yet still beholden to his will. Then I'd tell him to take the job an shove it where his head is.

I believe in FREEDOM and LIBERTY... especially in my own home and on my own time.
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:00 AM
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Soon corporations will start telling us what associations we can have. No gays. No singles. No children. No unions. No churches. No bingo halls (it's gambling).

Get real and wake up people! Corporate power needs to be kicked in the teeth before they expand their power another inch.
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:01 AM
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Re: Hospital Will Not Hire Those Who Use Tobacco

Right now... they are coming for the smoker. If we stand by and let them... who's next?
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Soon corporations will start telling us what associations we can have. No gays. No singles. No children. No unions. No churches. No bingo halls (it's gambling).

Get real and wake up people! Corporate power needs to be kicked in the teeth before they expand their power another inch.
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I think if an employer can tell you want to do in your own home and on your own time... they should be paying you for those hours you're beholden to their will.

Corporate power at it's worst. I know the corporations already bought the government on this issue. But I'd march into the director's office and tell him that I'm an American and that I'm free to do what I wish on my own time. If he wants to command that I not smoke in my own home, on my private time, he can pay the God foresaken mortgage, and pay me by the hour as I watch TV and yet still beholden to his will. Then I'd tell him to take the job an shove it where his head is.

I believe in FREEDOM and LIBERTY... especially in my own home and on my own time.
I don't get the chance to say this very often so I am going to jump on the opportunity.

I agree with Aquilla's posts.
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Soon corporations will start telling us what associations we can have. No gays. No singles. No children. No unions. No churches. No bingo halls (it's gambling).

Get real and wake up people! Corporate power needs to be kicked in the teeth before they expand their power another inch.
I think most of what you stated as an example of won't happen, except homosexuality. I'm surprised, for health reasons too, that's not being considered or even banned in the workplace. But, then again, STDs can be transmitted regardless of gender involvelemt. So, again, another example of a vicious circle...
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I think it is they who are on the slippery slope. The slippery slope of allowing corporations to rule our personal lives when we are not on the job.

And government isn't the only solution. Government isn't a solution at all in my opinion.

This can, and should, be handled in the courts by a jury of our peers.
hmm.... constitutional grounds for such?
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I think most of what you stated as an example of won't happen, except homosexuality. I'm surprised, for health reasons too, that's not being considered or even banned in the workplace. But, then again, STDs can be transmitted regardless of gender involvelemt. So, again, another example of a vicious circle...
I have the right to sleep with who I want to. I have the right to smoke if I choose to. I have the right to have a drink if I want to. I have the right to read what I want to. I have the right to associate with who I want to. I have the right to say what I want to. I have believe what I want to. I have the right to call God what I want to. And... I have the right to protest, resist, and petition the government if I so desire.

I am an American.

And so are all of YOU. All of these rights are yours too. Even GOD acknowledges these rights, because they are GOD GIVEN rights. Now, for those who believe in Jesus Christ... we use our liberty to glorify Christ with as much as is within us. But if another free individual chooses not to... that's their right. My Jesus may not be pleased, but He desires that they live and believe in accordance to their conscience. He'll do the judging. Sure, I can tell them what I think about their lifestyle and choices. But guess what... I'll die protecting their freedom to live as they choose. Because that very same freedom that allows them to live as they choose.... allows me and my family to live as we choose.

Freedom is holy... even if free men choose to live unholy.

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Old 10-27-2011, 09:15 AM
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They have so quickly forgotten know what free men like us used to do to Kings and Popes haven't they???

If they push any further... I vote we do it again.

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"corporate power is at its worst"

that is an interesting commnet. I suspect a coal minor living in a company town being paid in company script, living in company housing circa 1880 would beg to differ.


I suppose an Irish immagrent working in a sweatshop along with all of their underaged children being told to have more children to work in the sweatshop, being chained to the machines so they wouldnt walk off the job, circa 1900 would beg to differ.

I would like to see a comparison of Standard Oil before Teddy Roosevelt broke it up and Exxon. Exxon would be a poor relation. Shoot Standard Oil still hase 2 senators alive and kicking to this day.

We should consider the historic reality before making such comments.

There is room to improve things. there are areas where some corporations over step. those things should be dealt with. that does not however mean that we live in some dangerous liberty threatend period where corporations are trying to take over. That is a liberal myth created to scare people into accepting progressive politics.
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