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Old 11-14-2011, 04:34 PM
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Re: How involved is God?

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But if you argue that God is involved in the life of the Church, since He is the head of it, why is He not as involved in the lives of unbelievers?

That makes your argument to say that God is only active in a select few, which albeit He is still active, but that limits God in the grand scheme of being involved in all of His creation.
God doesnt force people to live for him. Since you are so worried about the slave girl, what are you doing to help? It's just convenient rhetoric to fuel a futile debate, not actual compassion for the girl.
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God doesnt force people to live for him. Since you are so worried about the slave girl, what are you doing to help? It's just convenient rhetoric to fuel a futile debate, not actual compassion for the girl.
You've lashed out twice in the same day... take a chill pill.
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You've lashed out twice in the same day... take a chill pill.
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I really wanted to say fuel to a futile fire, but it seemed silly, it would have been satifying though
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I really wanted to say fuel to a futile fire, but it seemed silly, it would have been satifying though
Maybe but sometimes things need rehashed. Such discussions are generally profitable to everyone involved... usually the effects come about at such a later time that we doubt the usefullness of discussion... but its useful nonetheless.
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I don't have the answers. But I do know that Jesus put man in the garden to tend it and keep it. And He did give men freedom of choice to sin or live for him. So, why are we (mankind) allowing young slave girls to be sold into prostitution? because we are rejecting God.

Jesus did what?
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There are two views that are prominent among people regarding God's involvement in humanity as a whole. If there are more than these two then I beg of you to post them, but essentially the ones I want to bring to your attention are:

1. God is actively involved in every aspect of His creation - He built it and is in control of moving all the mechanics of it to make sure it moves smoothly. Also, He is personally involved in every single person's life who is alive today.

2. God created the universe but has taken a "hands off" approach to it. In other words, He set it up so that it runs on its own, and has now stepped back away from it for things to operate how ever things turn out. He has tuned the universe to operate according to certain laws so that certain actions trigger a reaction, and He has no need to be personally involved in people's lives because He has set up the rules of the universe to take care of themselves.

Which view do you take, and why?
I believe that God has within His eternal character, the distinct and apparently contradictory qualities of Transcendence and Immanence. (I linked to Wiki articles which discuss these qualities to spare you from having to listen to me explain them here- though the articles themselves don't exactly jibe with my own views in all matters of theology).

Transcendence: Job 22:2; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 1:25, 1 Corinthians 2:16; Romans 11:33-36.

Immanence: Jeremiah 23:23-24; Acts 14:17, Acts 17:27-30.

... notice also Isaiah 55:8-11. Here God is described as being unreachable and incomprehensible to human beings. However, God sends His "Word" (in Greek= "Logos") so that we might learn of Him. The Hebrews called this "Memra" (or "Dibbur" as it is in the original in Isaiah 55:11). This "sending of His Word" is generally equated with the incarnation (John 1:1-14; Philippians 2:6–8) though He obviously had been "sending His Word" for a considerable period of time before that (1 Samuel 15:10; Isaiah 38:4; Jeremiah 1:4; and so many other verses).

In the process of time, God also took on the quality of "Dwelling," "Tabernacling" or "In Dwelling." This seems to be reserved for a description of God temporarily "inhabiting" a particular place in a particular way. This is not an "eternal" quality of God (IMHO) since it requires a creation with which He interacts. Thus, Genesis 1:2 (ESV), may be the first reference to God assuming this quality.

Thus, in the words of Paul, "One God and Father of all, who is above all (transcendent), and through all (immanent), and in you all (tabernacling). Ephesians 4:6.
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... and so, in answer to your question: Yes.

God is remote and apparently "uninvolved" in our petty lives; yet, simultaneously, He is also very much involved, even when we may not be concerned about His involvement (Acts 14:17 and Acts 17:27-29).

It's paradoxical, so a lot of folks reject the idea. Others, will assert that this God must exist as multiple "Persons" in order to achieve this complexity within His nature. For my part, I can live with a God Who is difficult to understand - One whose nature I may never fully understand, at least in this life.
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