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05-17-2007, 06:23 PM
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Doctrine SAVES us.
"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee" (1 Timothy 4:16).
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05-17-2007, 07:03 PM
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Traveling the Road of Infraction ......
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Who needs doctrine when you've got lots of talent? 
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05-18-2007, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Check out John 3 for starters. |
So we need the Doctrine of being born again? Yep that's a good place top start.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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05-18-2007, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhymis
Who needs doctrine when you've got lots of talent? |
That, my friend, is a seemingly all to prevalent thought......... 
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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05-18-2007, 06:18 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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This is just my two cents, but without faith all the doctrine in the world doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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05-18-2007, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
This is just my two cents, but without faith all the doctrine in the world doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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Perhaps being taught can increase a persons faith.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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05-18-2007, 07:34 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Perhaps being taught can increase a persons faith.
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True. I just know that someone can obey everything good doctrine shows them, but without faith it still won't mean anything. Now that I think about it, I don't really know if faith is something that can be taught. I know the Bible says every man has been given the measure of faith, but I don't know that tapping into that faith is something that can be taught.
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05-18-2007, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
I just know that someone can obey everything good doctrine shows them, but without faith it still won't mean anything.
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Can faith and obedience exist without each other?
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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05-18-2007, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OGIA
Can faith and obedience exist without each other?
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Yeah, but which comes first, faith or obedience? Obedience is an act of faith, but can it be said that faith is an act of obedience?
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05-18-2007, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Yeah, but which comes first, faith or obedience? Obedience is an act of faith, but can it be said that faith is an act of obedience?
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I think, scripturally, that faith is only faith if there is obedience following. Otherwise, it's dead, right?
We are all given a measure of faith, and I do believe that "seed" (if you will) is in us until a day when we have to choose to activate it. It is activiated by obedience. But, if obedience does not result, at some point in our life that seed of faith dies, as James says.
So, I've come to believe that God does not consider faith "faith" until there is some sort of action evidenced. What He considers it to be before that action, I have yet to learn.
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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