USA To Use Foreign Aid To Promote Gay Rights

[Truthseeker]

It's just gay rights under the banner of protecting liberty. Its an agenda to promote the lifestyle, to think otherwise fooling self.

[Aquila]

I think any true Christian can feel the tension between righteousness and the concept of liberty and justice for all.

[Aquila]

I believe that the freedom of religion gives Satanists the right to worship Satan. But I don't personally support their faith. I believe that the freedom of speech allows men to blaspheme. But I do not advocate blasphemy.

I believe in liberty. If the government allows men to live free (only protecting life, liberty, and property) individuals become personally responsible before God. If the government begins to legislate righteousness, it must enforce the fulness of righteousness.

I'm for liberty. If gays can marry one day, so be it. But churches should have the right to decline to perform the weddings. I also think a business owner should have the right to hire whoever they choose.

Frankly, it might be wise to remove government from regulating marriage all together. It should be a private contract.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that the freedom of religion gives Satanists the right to worship Satan. But I don't personally support their faith. I believe that the freedom of speech allows men to blaspheme. But I do not advocate blasphemy.

I believe in liberty. If the government allows men to live free (only protecting life, liberty, and property) individuals become personally responsible before God. If the government begins to legislate righteousness, it must enforce the fulness of righteousness.

I'm for liberty. If gays can marry one day, so be it. But churches should have the right to decline to perform the weddings. I also think a business owner should have the right to hire whoever they choose.

Frankly, it might be wise to remove government from regulating marriage all together. It should be a private contract.

Aquila, you can take your head out of the sand, anytime. Our government is far from promoting liberty with this decision. This is not about liberty. This is about pandering to a political base in this country. This is also about sticking it to those who actually believe that our rights derive from a higher power, not from man himself.
Also, this policy will be selectively enforced. Do you really believe that any Muslim country will have their foreign aid reduced, due to this policy?
Right.
I believe that everyone should be afforded equal protection under the law.
But, what we are doing now is making some more equal than others.
You believe that churches should have the right to refuse to perform same-sex marriages? The individuals behind this policy do not.
You believe that a private company should have the right to hire who they want? The individuals behind this policy do not.
Do I need to send you a link to every CHRISTIAN who has been hauled into court for refusing to do business with a homosexual?
And the ironic thing is that a MUSLIM can refuse and governments turn a blind eye.
First it was "tolerate us", then it was "accept us", now it is "approve us", next it will be "join us".
You need to review the end result of your beliefs.
And believe me I am not homophobic. I have several of "the family" who work for me. They know my personal belief is not approving of their lifestyle. They also know that will play no part in how I treat them at work or how I try to help them in their careers. I believe that they also are made in the image of God.
Hey, let me know when this administration puts out the same press release for Christians. Now that would be news.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Aquila, you can take your head out of the sand, anytime. Our government is far from promoting liberty with this decision. This is not about liberty. This is about pandering to a political base in this country.

Yes, this does appeal to a liberal political base. However, there are homosexuals being stoned, hung, burned, rapped, and tortured in the Middle East and elsewhere. There are actually people seeking refuge in the United States and Europe simply because they are gay. While I do not embrace homosexuality as being God’s will for mankind, I do not under any circumstances advocate persecuting these people. You might want to turn a blind eye to it… but if the subject is on the table… I cannot. And if you CAN’T turn a blind eye to it… realize that this is part of a political solution rather it appeals to a liberal base or a libertarian base.

This is also about sticking it to those who actually believe that our rights derive from a higher power, not from man himself.

God gave us free will. You and I have a right to live the lives we desire. We can embrace the Gospel and live righteous lives… or we can choose to live a life of sin and reap the consequences. That is a liberty given to us by Almighty God that can be traced all the way back to the Garden of Eden when GOD HIMSELF placed the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil within Adam’s reach and gave Adam a choice not to touch it and live… or to touch it and die. So yes, the right for someone to choose to sin is given them by God. Why? Because it is only within the context of such liberty that a lost human soul can FREELY come to Him and be saved.

Also, this policy will be selectively enforced. Do you really believe that any Muslim country will have their foreign aid reduced, due to this policy?

I don’t know, nor do I pretend to know. We’ll simply have to see.

I believe that everyone should be afforded equal protection under the law.
But, what we are doing now is making some more equal than others.

So, if I (a supposedly free citizen) choose to marry another free citizen… do you believe that the police force of GOVERNMENT has the right to tell me who I can marry?

You believe that churches should have the right to refuse to perform same-sex marriages? The individuals behind this policy do not.

You believe that a private company should have the right to hire who they want? The individuals behind this policy do not.

That is why I believe that we should stand for our liberties and not focus so much on standing against another’s.

Do I need to send you a link to every CHRISTIAN who has been hauled into court for refusing to do business with a homosexual?

But don’t you realize why that’s happening? Instead of standing up for our rights… all we do is stand against theirs. Let them have their rights… sink every once of our resources into protecting our rights specifically. You see… they have us on the defensive. They appear to be the victims. “The big bad Christians don’t want us to marry, they don’t want us to have freedom of expression…”, blah, blah, blah. What if we got off their porch and let them live their lives… and the moment a CHRISTIAN faced injustice we raised Hades like never before??? Then the focus would be on us and our plight.

And the ironic thing is that a MUSLIM can refuse and governments turn a blind eye.
First it was "tolerate us", then it was "accept us", now it is "approve us", next it will be "join us".

I tolerate their right to live as they choose. I accept them as any sinner who needs salvation. But approval is a personal thing. I’ll never approve. And no government can make me. And as far as joining… you sound like that’s a fear of yours. Ummm… it’s definitely not one of mine. Lol

You need to review the end result of your beliefs.

Liberty and justice for all. Even those I strongly disapprove of.

And believe me I am not homophobic.

Riiiight. Lol

I have several of "the family" who work for me.

LOL

They know my personal belief is not approving of their lifestyle. They also know that will play no part in how I treat them at work or how I try to help them in their careers. I believe that they also are made in the image of God.

Are they fellow Americans entitled life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Hey, let me know when this administration puts out the same press release for Christians. Now that would be news.

Yes, this administration turns a blind eye to persecuted Christians. That’s the fundamental problem. Given our political affiliation we turn a blind eye to hatred, prejudice, and persecution. Liberals turn a blind eye to Christians being persecuted. Conservatives turn a blind eye to gays being persecuted. Bro… I don’t approve of their lifestyle either. But one thing I know I can approve of is LIBERTY. I served 8 years in the United States military to defend our liberty. I was willing to fight and die for a Satanist’s right to start a Satanist coven (freedom of religion). Don’t you get it??? Liberty. I know folks that don’t approve of mixed marriages. And that’s their right to disapprove. BUT…mixed couples also have the right to freely marry.

As long as we spit, fuss, kick, scream, and try to hinder them from making private decisions for their own lives… we make them look like victims. I say… let them have their liberty. As assuredly as they fought for gay marriage… they will encounter the sting of “gay divorce” (which will be rampant). In ten years so many of those unions will fail the idea of gay marriage will be mockery. Stories of abuse and betrayal in gay marriages will become an issue. Every time a church is harassed for not solemnizing a gay union we scream and protest in support of our religious freedom to refuse to solemnize those marriages. Guess what… then the public will begin to see Christians as being victimized and given our day in court… we will be vindicated. C’mon. A church can refuse to marry any straight couple it chooses. Do you think harassment by a gay couple will stand in court? Get real. Synagogues, Mosques, Churches, Temples, etc. will all be standing united for religious freedom. It could bring a spiritual awakening.

We can think beyond the political fear mongering and stand for liberty... or we can continue down this road of opposing their every attempt to gain various rights. Again, this makes us look intolerant and them look like victims. And frankly, we're loosing.

Your strategy has failed, is failing, and will fail. Time to reassess and take a different approach that focuses on OUR liberty and the freedom to deny them union in our churches and advocate for OUR freedom of speech as we address this as sin.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, this does appeal to a liberal political base. However, there are homosexuals being stoned, hung, burned, rapped, and tortured in the Middle East and elsewhere. There are actually people seeking refuge in the United States and Europe simply because they are gay. While I do not embrace homosexuality as being God’s will for mankind, I do not under any circumstances advocate persecuting these people. You might want to turn a blind eye to it… but if the subject is on the table… I cannot. And if you CAN’T turn a blind eye to it… realize that this is part of a political solution rather it appeals to a liberal base or a libertarian base.

God gave us free will. You and I have a right to live the lives we desire. We can embrace the Gospel and live righteous lives… or we can choose to live a life of sin and reap the consequences. That is a liberty given to us by Almighty God that can be traced all the way back to the Garden of Eden when GOD HIMSELF placed the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil within Adam’s reach and gave Adam a choice not to touch it and live… or to touch it and die. So yes, the right for someone to choose to sin is given them by God. Why? Because it is only within the context of such liberty that a lost human soul can FREELY come to Him and be saved.

I don’t know, nor do I pretend to know. We’ll simply have to see.

So, if I (a supposedly free citizen) choose to marry another free citizen… do you believe that the police force of GOVERNMENT has the right to tell me who I can marry?

That is why I believe that we should stand for our liberties and not focus so much on standing against another’s.

But don’t you realize why that’s happening? Instead of standing up for our rights… all we do is stand against theirs. Let them have their rights… sink every once of our resources into protecting our rights specifically. You see… they have us on the defensive. They appear to be the victims. “The big bad Christians don’t want us to marry, they don’t want us to have freedom of expression…�, blah, blah, blah. What if we got off their porch and let them live their lives… and the moment a CHRISTIAN faced injustice we raised Hades like never before??? Then the focus would be on us and our plight.

I tolerate their right to live as they choose. I accept them as any sinner who needs salvation. But approval is a personal thing. I’ll never approve. And no government can make me. And as far as joining… you sound like that’s a fear of yours. Ummm… it’s definitely not one of mine. Lol

Liberty and justice for all. Even those I strongly disapprove of.

Riiiight. Lol

LOL

Are they fellow Americans entitled life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Yes, this administration turns a blind eye to persecuted Christians. That’s the fundamental problem. Given our political affiliation we turn a blind eye to hatred, prejudice, and persecution. Liberals turn a blind eye to Christians being persecuted. Conservatives turn a blind eye to gays being persecuted. Bro… I don’t approve of their lifestyle either. But one thing I know I can approve of is LIBERTY. I served 8 years in the United States military to defend our liberty. I was willing to fight and die for a Satanist’s right to start a Satanist coven (freedom of religion). Don’t you get it??? Liberty. I know folks that don’t approve of mixed marriages. And that’s their right to disapprove. BUT…mixed couples also have the right to freely marry.

As long as we spit, fuss, kick, scream, and try to hinder them from making private decisions for their own lives… we make them look like victims. I say… let them have their liberty. As assuredly as they fought for gay marriage… they will encounter the sting of “gay divorce� (which will be rampant). In ten years so many of those unions will fail the idea of gay marriage will be mockery. Stories of abuse and betrayal in gay marriages will become an issue. Every time a church is harassed for not solemnizing a gay union we scream and protest in support of our religious freedom to refuse to solemnize those marriages. Guess what… then the public will begin to see Christians as being victimized and given our day in court… we will be vindicated. C’mon. A church can refuse to marry any straight couple it chooses. Do you think harassment by a gay couple will stand in court? Get real. Synagogues, Mosques, Churches, Temples, etc. will all be standing united for religious freedom. It could bring a spiritual awakening.

We can think beyond the political fear mongering and stand for liberty... or we can continue down this road of opposing their every attempt to gain various rights. Again, this makes us look intolerant and them look like victims. And frankly, we're loosing.

Your strategy has failed, is failing, and will fail. Time to reassess and take a different approach that focuses on OUR liberty and the freedom to deny them union in our churches and advocate for OUR freedom of speech as we address this as sin.

Great post.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, this does appeal to a liberal political base. However, there are homosexuals being stoned, hung, burned, rapped, and tortured in the Middle East and elsewhere. There are actually people seeking refuge in the United States and Europe simply because they are gay. While I do not embrace homosexuality as being God’s will for mankind, I do not under any circumstances advocate persecuting these people. You might want to turn a blind eye to it… but if the subject is on the table… I cannot. And if you CAN’T turn a blind eye to it… realize that this is part of a political solution rather it appeals to a liberal base or a libertarian base.



God gave us free will. You and I have a right to live the lives we desire. We can embrace the Gospel and live righteous lives… or we can choose to live a life of sin and reap the consequences. That is a liberty given to us by Almighty God that can be traced all the way back to the Garden of Eden when GOD HIMSELF placed the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil within Adam’s reach and gave Adam a choice not to touch it and live… or to touch it and die. So yes, the right for someone to choose to sin is given them by God. Why? Because it is only within the context of such liberty that a lost human soul can FREELY come to Him and be saved.



I don’t know, nor do I pretend to know. We’ll simply have to see.



So, if I (a supposedly free citizen) choose to marry another free citizen… do you believe that the police force of GOVERNMENT has the right to tell me who I can marry?



That is why I believe that we should stand for our liberties and not focus so much on standing against another’s.



But don’t you realize why that’s happening? Instead of standing up for our rights… all we do is stand against theirs. Let them have their rights… sink every once of our resources into protecting our rights specifically. You see… they have us on the defensive. They appear to be the victims. “The big bad Christians don’t want us to marry, they don’t want us to have freedom of expression…”, blah, blah, blah. What if we got off their porch and let them live their lives… and the moment a CHRISTIAN faced injustice we raised Hades like never before??? Then the focus would be on us and our plight.



I tolerate their right to live as they choose. I accept them as any sinner who needs salvation. But approval is a personal thing. I’ll never approve. And no government can make me. And as far as joining… you sound like that’s a fear of yours. Ummm… it’s definitely not one of mine. Lol



Liberty and justice for all. Even those I strongly disapprove of.



Riiiight. Lol



LOL



Are they fellow Americans entitled life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?



Yes, this administration turns a blind eye to persecuted Christians. That’s the fundamental problem. Given our political affiliation we turn a blind eye to hatred, prejudice, and persecution. Liberals turn a blind eye to Christians being persecuted. Conservatives turn a blind eye to gays being persecuted. Bro… I don’t approve of their lifestyle either. But one thing I know I can approve of is LIBERTY. I served 8 years in the United States military to defend our liberty. I was willing to fight and die for a Satanist’s right to start a Satanist coven (freedom of religion). Don’t you get it??? Liberty. I know folks that don’t approve of mixed marriages. And that’s their right to disapprove. BUT…mixed couples also have the right to freely marry.

As long as we spit, fuss, kick, scream, and try to hinder them from making private decisions for their own lives… we make them look like victims. I say… let them have their liberty. As assuredly as they fought for gay marriage… they will encounter the sting of “gay divorce” (which will be rampant). In ten years so many of those unions will fail the idea of gay marriage will be mockery. Stories of abuse and betrayal in gay marriages will become an issue. Every time a church is harassed for not solemnizing a gay union we scream and protest in support of our religious freedom to refuse to solemnize those marriages. Guess what… then the public will begin to see Christians as being victimized and given our day in court… we will be vindicated. C’mon. A church can refuse to marry any straight couple it chooses. Do you think harassment by a gay couple will stand in court? Get real. Synagogues, Mosques, Churches, Temples, etc. will all be standing united for religious freedom. It could bring a spiritual awakening.

We can think beyond the political fear mongering and stand for liberty... or we can continue down this road of opposing their every attempt to gain various rights. Again, this makes us look intolerant and them look like victims. And frankly, we're loosing.

Your strategy has failed, is failing, and will fail. Time to reassess and take a different approach that focuses on OUR liberty and the freedom to deny them union in our churches and advocate for OUR freedom of speech as we address this as sin.

Sorry for the late response, I have been traveling with a lot to do!
Aquila - do you believe that "marriage" should be limited to two people or should it be open to multiple spouse marriages?
Do you believe that government should have the right to prosecute a murder, if the "victim" was willing to be murdered?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Sorry for the late response, I have been traveling with a lot to do!
Aquila - do you believe that "marriage" should be limited to two people or should it be open to multiple spouse marriages?
Do you believe that government should have the right to prosecute a murder, if the "victim" was willing to be murdered?

I think government can define legal marriage however it desires. However, if government is really for the people then it would seem that same sex couples would need a way of obtaining extra protections and privleges under law... protections and privleges similar to those afforded to a husband and wife.

I am oppossed to not legally allowing same sex marriage on the basis of religious belief. However, I can see many compelling reasons to not define same sex marriage as classical marriage. Primarily because the laws dealing with classical marriage were set up under the assumption that marriage was a man and a wife. There could be many unforeseen issues with now making that assumption be false. Therefore I would not be oppossed to legal action that gives same sex couples something similiar to marriage but I would be wary of legally defining what they are given as marriage.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The article said:

In a memorandum issued Tuesday, President Barack Obama directed U.S. agencies working abroad, including the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development, to use foreign aid to assist gays and lesbians who are facing human rights violations. And he ordered U.S. agencies to protect vulnerable gay and lesbian refugees and asylum seekers.

We must further the cause of Liberty. Liberty is every man's God given right. Liberty is holy... even when men are unholy.

It sickens me that gays are abused, brutalized, and even executed in various countries. This is about human Liberty. Regardless of what one thinks about homosexuals, God intends them to be free persons. For only freedom allows the liberty to freely choose between good and evil.

I'm a divorcee. What if a country would have me be beaten, or perhaps even executed, for adultery if I remarried? Adultery or not... that's MY business. Sorry, I stand on the side of Liberty. Even if I disagree with those who use said Liberty to do what I'd never do. EVERY human being has a God given right to live according to his or her convictions regarding their life and happiness, answering only to God unless their choices have brought harm to another's life, liberty, or property.

I'd DIE to protect and PREACH Liberty... even for souls that don't deserve it. Because LIBERTY is Holy even when men are not. America will face the harshest Judgment should she abandon the cause of Liberty and Justice for All.

I can see where you are coming from.
If this is to help protect LBGT's who are being persecuted for their sexuality, I can see that. However, I am afraid (maybe I'm paranoid about BHO and the DNC) but I suspect this is another way of pushing the LBGT agenda.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think government can define legal marriage however it desires. However, if government is really for the people then it would seem that same sex couples would need a way of obtaining extra protections and privleges under law... protections and privleges similar to those afforded to a husband and wife.

I am oppossed to not legally allowing same sex marriage on the basis of religious belief. However, I can see many compelling reasons to not define same sex marriage as classical marriage. Primarily because the laws dealing with classical marriage were set up under the assumption that marriage was a man and a wife. There could be many unforeseen issues with now making that assumption be false. Therefore I would not be oppossed to legal action that gives same sex couples something similiar to marriage but I would be wary of legally defining what they are given as marriage.

Can't any two or more people sign a contract pertaining to property rights and giving one another full power of attorney right now? Wouldn't this be as binding as a marriage contract?