Too many churches or not enough?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is my point. We NEED this. You know the bible says all that will live godly shall suffer persecution. You notice how "spiritual" Americans came after 9/11?

More of that is coming because for many that is the only way they will shift gears...I think we can avoid it if we get motivated ourselves, but most "revivals" come during low times because that is the only time people get desparate enough to really turn to God with hunger and thirsting

Yes, we do need this! But if you want to see a real revival, maybe go overseas!! I dunno... Can Americans stay christian during persecution?? tribulation??

Patty Pentecost has to pray through because Sister Sulking Susie walked by without saying "Praise the Lord."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Yes, we do need this! But if you want to see a real revival, maybe go overseas!! I dunno... Can Americans stay christian during persecution?? tribulation??

Patty Pentecost has to pray through because Sister Sulking Susie walked by without saying "Praise the Lord."

no no...i don't want to "see" a real revival for the sake of seeing one. I want one and America NEEDs one

As for staying Christian? The real question should be can they stay Christians without it! I keep hearing about end time revival...perhaps If God is going to have a revival he has to motivate His people and if that is the case....

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

no no...i don't want to "see" a real revival for the sake of seeing one. I want one and America NEEDs one

As for staying Christian? The real question should be can they stay Christians without it! I keep hearing about end time revival...perhaps If God is going to have a revival he has to motivate His people and if that is the case....

I am sick of hearing of the "end time revival." We don't need an end time revival. We need a right now revival. Like I said.. the cost is great, and there are few that are willing to walk down that path.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I am sick of hearing of the "end time revival." We don't need an end time revival. We need a right now revival. Like I said.. the cost is great, and there are few that are willing to walk down that path.

Right, BUT....if that is the case and there really is to be a Revival God ordained.....then perhaps God will ordain waters of trouble..that's how He got Israels attention right?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Right, BUT....if that is the case and there really is to be a Revival God ordained.....then perhaps God will ordain waters of trouble..that's how He got Israels attention right?

Israel established a pattern. When she was blessed she would turn to idolatry. Idolatry led to captivity. While in captivity she cried out for mercy. When granted mercy she walked in her blessings. And thus the pattern began...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Israel established a pattern. When she was blessed she would turn to idolatry. Idolatry led to captivity. While in captivity she cried out for mercy. When granted mercy she walked in her blessings. And thus the pattern began...

egggggsactly! God uses captivity and invading armies and other things to stir them BACK to the place of "revival" :-)

Id rather not have to go through that

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

egggggsactly! God uses captivity and invading armies and other things to stir them BACK to the place of "revival" :-)

Id rather not have to go through that

Maybe it won't happen to the church as a whole, but to the saint on an individual basis, spiritually speaking.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Id rather not have to go through that

It seems inevitable, though, doesn't it?


My fear is that, in the end, it may be the ones who don't need that God-initiated "stirring" who will be the ones the Lord referred to as the "very elect".

I pray that I am willing, persecution or not.

[Praxeas]

Eze 9:4 And the LORD said to him, "Pass through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it."
Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and strike. Your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity.
Eze 9:6 Kill old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one on whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were before the house.
Eze 9:7 Then he said to them, "Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out." So they went out and struck in the city.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

"And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were before the house.

Yikes!