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Old 01-16-2012, 09:34 PM
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Same here, I have no idea what you would do.

One thing I DO know, dealing with Iran needs to happen one way or the other, sooner or later.
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:27 AM
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That might be true, but it makes no difference.
We are going to have to deal with them one way or another.
Once they have nuclear weapons they are going to hold us hostage.
If we do nothing we end up fighting them south of the border or on our own soil.
Amadinijad is now great buddies with Cuba, Venezuala and a few other marxist dictators south of us.
Make no mistake the US is the big satan and Israel the small satan.
They want us gone!
Do you compare Venezuala and Cuba with Russia? Im not at all concerned with these rather insignificant (to our survival) countries. Last time I looked Russia had over 10,000 nuclear weapons. Thats at the moment 10,000 times more than Iran, Cuba, and Venezuala.

If the Russians say an attack on Iran is an attack on them how does it make sense to invade Iran because they get a nuclear weapon? Why did we not nuke Russia because they had nukes? Why did Russia not nuke us because we had them? Why does China not nuke India because they have nukes? Why does India not nuke China because they have nukes?

I say America was a greater nation before we had pre emptive wars. Now if we actually KNEW Iran was going to nuke us it would be another story. If Israel actually KNEW Iran was going to nuke them it would be another story. The guesswork was not very accurate when we rushed to war with Iraq.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:12 AM
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If Israel actually KNEW Iran was going to nuke them it would be another story.
Their leader pretty well says every week, for the last 3 years, that they want Israel off the map.
I take his word for it and believe him.

Don't underestimate south American countries.
During the 1960's Russia was going to place nuclear weapons on Cuba.
It was prevented.
They or others can try to do the same again.
I don't want to see unfriendly dictators with big guns south of the border.
Remember, these people HATE Christianity and are guided by satan.


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If the Russians say an attack on Iran is an attack on them...
I don't believe them.
They have other things to worry about, (same things we worry about) like muslims inside their borders committing terrorist attacks.

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Old 01-17-2012, 12:36 PM
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Their leader pretty well says every week, for the last 3 years, that they want Israel off the map.
I take his word for it and believe him.

Don't underestimate south American countries.
During the 1960's Russia was going to place nuclear weapons on Cuba.
It was prevented.
They or others can try to do the same again.
I don't want to see unfriendly dictators with big guns south of the border.
Remember, these people HATE Christianity and are guided by satan.




I don't believe them.
They have other things to worry about, (same things we worry about) like muslims inside their borders committing terrorist attacks.
An attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow. Why should Russia bow to our will? They are also a great people. The Chinese are also on record that they will defend Iran. To not believe them until its to late would be typical of the modern day American.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:47 PM
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There is a certain attitude that is arrogant, bullying of others. The United states my home country has no right to police the world. We have no right to stick our noses in other business. No matter what I think, no matter what you think this attitude of people like you and me is the problem. We have no bussiness in the middle east!!!!!
Why are we there?????
We allow drugs to be shipped in to our country by drug cartels and allow illegal aliens into America. We should put our army on the mexican border and stop the drug war or hurt it.We should send troops into mexico and kill the drug lords. But do we-No
We need to clean up our back yard first before we tell somebody else how to clean their's up.
otherwise, keep our nose where it belongs.
just a passing thought. I choose not to write my view but write the truth.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:59 PM
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China, Saudi Arabia sign nuclear pact.
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RIYADH: Saudi Arabia signed an agreement with China in Riyadh Sunday for cooperation in the development and use of atomic energy for peaceful purposes, which will help to meet the Kingdom's rising demand for energy and cut its growing dependence on depleting resources.

The signing ceremony was witnessed by Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah and Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao together with a large number of high-ranking Saudi and Chinese officials.

“The nuclear energy cooperation agreement seeks to establish a legal framework that strengthens scientific, technological and economic cooperation between Riyadh and Beijing, while the two sides reaffirm their desire to place the highest priority on nuclear safety and environmental protection,” said an official source. On behalf of the Kingdom, Hashim Abdullah Yamani, president of King Abdullah City of Atomic and Renewable Energy, signed the nuclear agreement.

Zhang Ping, chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission of China, signed on behalf of Beijing.

Another agreement to boost cooperation in the field of academics and library affairs was signed by the Riyadh-based King Abdulaziz Public Library (KAPL) and Beijing University. The agreement will broaden the scope of cooperation between the two premier institutions and allow KAPL to open its branch in the Chinese capital.

Talks between King Abdullah and Wen as well as the two signing ceremonies were attended by a large number of Saudi and Chinese officials including Crown Prince Naif, minister of interior; Prince Salman, minister of defense; Prince Muqrin, chief of General Intelligence; Prince Saud Al-Faisal, foreign minister; Prince Miteb bin Abdullah, minister of state and president of the National Guard; Prince Abdulaziz bin Abdullah, deputy minister of foreign affairs; and Ali Al-Naimi, minister of petroleum & mineral resources.

Asked about the details of the official meetings Sunday, Li Lianghua, a spokesman of the Chinese Embassy, said the talks with King Abdullah was preceded by Wen's meetings with GCC Secretary-General Abdullatif Al-Zayani and OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu. He also held talks with Shoura officials. The talks with King Abdullah covered the whole gamut of bilateral issues and regional development, said another Chinese official.

He said the two countries pledged to work together to promote political and commercial relations as well as boost links in energy, trade, infrastructure, culture, press and security fields.

“China has also welcomed a move to organize a high-profile symposium in Beijing in mid-2012 to discuss relations between China and the Muslim world with special reference to Beijing's relations with Muslims in the past and the future perspectives of Islamic-Sino ties,” he added.

The pledge for a closer partnership was made during the wide-ranging talks between King Abdullah and the Chinese premier. Speaking on the occasion, Wen said: “The two countries strengthened high-level exchanges and promoted mutual trust in recent years despite the fact that international and regional situations became complicated and volatile.” He said both countries have treated each other as equals with respect, and their cooperation has been fruitful since the establishment of diplomatic ties 22 years ago.

“China and Saudi Arabia are both in important stages of development, and there are broad prospects for enhancing cooperation,” said Wen. “The Chinese government encourages companies in the country to take part in Saudi infrastructure construction ventures such as railways, ports, electricity and telecommunications,” said the Chinese premier after talks with senior Saudi officials. He also called on Riyadh and Beijing “to enhance security and law enforcement cooperation, and promote people-to-people exchanges in education and sports.”

Saudi Arabia is China's biggest source of imported oil, and securing energy security was high on Wen's agenda in Riyadh, said the official. China and Saudi Arabia should keep deepening cooperation as China is already Saudi Arabia's biggest customer and the Kingdom is keen to diversify its economic ties, he noted. On Saturday, the state-run Saudi oil giant Aramco and Chinese companies finalized an initial agreement signed last year to develop a 400,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery in Yanbu, on the Kingdom's Red Sea coast.

On a regional front, GCC chief Al-Zayani expressed his keen interest to boost ties with China further during his talks with Wen in Riyadh Sunday. “Al-Zayani and Jiabao discussed during the meeting issues of regional and international importance with the GCC official lauding China's stance on topics pertaining to the Iranian nuclear program and the GCC initiative in Yemen,” said a statement released by the GCC General Secretariat after the talks.

Al-Zayani also expressed happiness over the increase of commercial exchange between China and the GCC, which amounted to $100 billion last year.

In regards to the bilateral free-trade negotiations, the GCC official affirmed that talks are on track since they were launched in 2006. Saleem S. A. Al-Alwi, GCC spokesman, said Wen spoke highly of the GCC’s achievements in safeguarding regional peace and stability since its establishment.

Saleem said the two sides expressed keen interest to work together and “to make full use of the strategic dialogue mechanism, plan bilateral cooperation from a macro perspective and highlight strategic cooperation for mutual benefit.” Wen called on both sides to build up mutual understanding, deepen political ties, and continue to understand and support each other on issues concerning each other’s core interests and major concerns.

He urged both sides to enhance coordination and cooperation in international and regional affairs, maintain common interests, deepen pragmatic cooperation on energy, economy and trade. Al-Zayani said after the talks the GCC as a regional bloc attaches great importance to strategic cooperative relations with China. “GCC is ready to work with China to enrich and improve cooperation mechanisms in all areas,” said the GCC chief, adding that member states are ready to maintain communication and coordination with China on major international and regional issues.

Wen also met with OIC chief Ihsanoglu and discussed ways of developing relations between the OIC and China, said a report published by International Islamic News Agency (IINA) on Sunday. The two officials also discussed current issues and regional developments especially in the Muslim world, said the report, adding that the OIC underlined relations between China and the Muslim world, which has not faced any problems in the past, stressing on the need to develop the mutual relationship.

The talks also focused on the importance of strengthening the strategic relationship between the OIC and China, and emphasized on continuing cooperation between the two sides. The OIC and Chinese officials also welcomed the move to organize a symposium in Beijing in mid-2012 to address the relations between China and the Muslim world in the context of the past and the future perspectives. The Chinese premier said his country “accords great importance to the convening of this symposium in cooperation with the OIC and the Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing.

They also agreed to establish a trade exhibition at the World Trade Center in Ninshia, to be organized in cooperation between the OIC Islamic Centre for Development of Trade (ICDT) and officials in Ninshia, China. On the other hand, Wen also expressed his country’s interest in supporting development projects and infrastructure in OIC countries, including Port Sudan, Dakar Railway Project and many more projects from the Red Sea to the Atlantic Ocean. The Chinese premier will wrap up his three-day visit to Riyadh Monday morning evening and leave for the United Arab Emirates. He will then proceed to Qatar for a day's visit.
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Ok should we now attack Saudi Arabia? Consider this:

The Russians are the ones who built Irans nuclear reactor. I believe they still have advisors there today. China is now going to do the same for the Saudis. Who are the real enemies?

Why are our leaders silent about this? Could it be we dont want to play in the big leagues? That we like to choose our wars with much smaller nations? Maybe YHWH will not allow America to just keep choosing its battles?
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:10 PM
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Ok, this is simply foul. I suggest to each of you gentleman that I can prove that God has many names, to take the last first, and you surely don't need to be reminded that Ishmael was blessed of God, whether you like it or not, or that hypocrisy is universal, and just as you are being misrepresented to them, they are being misrepresented to you.
Especially when you proceed from a faulty premise, that being that the elected leaders of the nation you happen to reside in are your leaders, there in that "Democracy" implosion they have, going on "over there." (in D.C.? your heart?where?)
I challenge any of you to defend why any "vote" you might have, on a piece of paper, is not a vote for Satan. Use Scripture.
What does God having many names have to do with anything? What does Ishmael being blessed by God have to do with anything?
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You aren't talking about anything; you are talking about death.

"...we must never forget that even the best political ideology lies under the influence of a "power over" cosmic ruler who is working at cross purposes to God."

couldn't have said it better, myself. Please vote your conscience.
They what did your post have to do with "talking about death"???
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The Myth of a Christian Nation Greg Boyd
Awesome from page 1. Been a "voter" myself, in spirit, all my life; not sure what I'll do now : )
BByrd can you please quote someone instead of just posting stuff because it seems like you are responding to someone saying something but nobody seems to know who or what. Your postings are bizarre
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Ok, this is simply foul. I suggest to each of you gentleman that I can prove that God has many names, to take the last first, and you surely don't need to be reminded that Ishmael was blessed of God, whether you like it or not, or that hypocrisy is universal, and just as you are being misrepresented to them, they are being misrepresented to you.
Especially when you proceed from a faulty premise, that being that the elected leaders of the nation you happen to reside in are your leaders, there in that "Democracy" implosion they have, going on "over there." (in D.C.? your heart?where?)
I challenge any of you to defend why any "vote" you might have, on a piece of paper, is not a vote for Satan. Use Scripture.

Al-lah is the name of a Afro-Arabian Pagan moon god that may have had it's origins in Ancient Egypt and Cush (stemming from the moon god Lah). There is significant evidence to suggest that the pagan Al-lah diety existed long before Muhammad tried to identify him as the God of the Holy Scriptures. The most obvious evidence coming from the fact that Muhammed's father's own name (Abdullah) means "servant of Al-lah".
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