Your creation belief

[Hoovie]

What I have settled...

The earth and all things are an intelligent design - not chance.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

...things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Like, Atoms?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Like, Atoms?

like atoms and adams

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Sam

like atoms and adams

Adam from Atoms. But, really, it was a real question.

[bbyrd009]

The progression from Big Bang, everything started as hydrogen (1 nucleus, 1 electron <in orbit>) speaks eloquently of this, imo. I think it's why atheistic scientists hate the BB so much.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

The progression from Big Bang, everything started as hydrogen (1 nucleus, 1 electron <in orbit>) speaks eloquently of this, imo. I think it's why atheistic scientists hate the BB so much.

Yup. Everything up to Iron is made in stars and everything on the periodic table heavier than Iron is made during a stars Nova or Supernova. People laughed but Carl Sagan was right......

[pelathais]

I get lumped in with "theistic evolution," though technically, that doesn't accurately describe my position. I believe that God Almighty created the heavens and the earth AND that those heavens and earth are approximately 13.5 billion (heavens) and 4.5 billion (earth) years old.

The evidence for biological evolution is simply overwhelming (we did this before with Codie). If you've really had the chance to study the issue, you'd be persuaded as well, shaggie. It is a fascinating topic.



"My haul from this trip. The salvaged portion of a rather badly damaged mosasaur snout and a couple of Knightia (I think they're Knightia)."

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

The progression from Big Bang, everything started as hydrogen (1 nucleus, 1 electron <in orbit>) speaks eloquently of this, imo. I think it's why atheistic scientists hate the BB so much.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Yup. Everything up to Iron is made in stars and everything on the periodic table heavier than Iron is made during a stars Nova or Supernova. People laughed but Carl Sagan was right......

I'm not aware of any "atheistic scientists who hate the BB." Most seem, in fact all of them seem to embrace the idea. Edwin Hubble's discovery of the expanding universe and George Gamow's further development of the idea into what was derisively called "The Big Bang" at the time (1920s) wasn't met with much enthusiasm at first. Over time, the accumulating evidence did persude almost everyone - except, most prominently, Sir Fred Hoyle whose idea of stellar evolution RandyWayne just referred to.

Sir Fred rejected the idea, not because he was "atheistic" - but because he was "religious." He was a devout follower of Hinduism and their method of chronology (The Ages of Rama) which required trillions and trillions of years. Sir Fred and his close associate Chandra Wickramasinghe held to what is called the "Steady State" theory.

A lot of "Young Earth Creationists" cite these men in their attempts to disprove the "Big Bang." But the "BB" did give us the important evidence that there was a beginning to our universe. While this would go against Hindu philosophy, it is in accord with the Bible's essential message.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

What I have settled...

The earth and all things are an intelligent design - not chance.

I see chance as having a huge role - in fact, the largest "force" in determining the way things are today; however, those "random events" all took place (and still take place) within an even larger scheme of "design."

It's like a casino. All of the games have a completely random and unpredictable outcome - but at the end of the day, the House still makes a deposit. All of the random events are designed to produce an overall predicable outcome - "the House always wins."

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I get lumped in with "theistic evolution," though technically, that doesn't accurately describe my position. I believe that God Almighty created the heavens and the earth AND that those heavens and earth are approximately 13.5 billion (heavens) and 4.5 billion (earth) years old.

The evidence for biological evolution is simply overwhelming (we did this before with Codie). If you've really had the chance to study the issue, you'd be persuaded as well, shaggie. It is a fascinating topic.
"My haul from this trip. The salvaged portion of a rather badly damaged mosasaur snout and a couple of Knightia (I think they're Knightia)."

Missed you on these topics!