Reality Check on Bound and Unbound Delegates

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Very well laid out! Nice!

Reality Check: Bound Delegates In The Republican Primary May Not Be Bound After All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDPK4...&feature=share

I hate right leaning news networks and this is a perfect example of why. His whole talking point is about The "Unit Rule" which the RNC outlawed. The "Unit Rule" is a rule that requires EVERY delegate of a state to be bound to vote for the candidate the majority of the state wanted. Banning the "Unit Rule" doesn't stop delegates from being bound. It stops them from being bound in such a manner that they all must vote the same.

Despite this misinformation those delegates are still bound to vote Romney. Try again PO.

[Dedicated Mind]

po, even real clear politics isn't reflecting the same delegate count that this website mentioned by ben swan is

http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/

why the discrepancy?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I hate right leaning news networks and this is a perfect example of why. His whole talking point is about The "Unit Rule" which the RNC outlawed. The "Unit Rule" is a rule that requires EVERY delegate of a state to be bound to vote for the candidate the majority of the state wanted. Banning the "Unit Rule" doesn't stop delegates from being bound. It stops them from being bound in such a manner that they all must vote the same.

I don't know where you got that information (in bold). This pdf. file (The Rules of the Republican Party) was written and adopted in 2008, amended in 2010, and has no updates. Rule 15 is clearly included.
http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

More information concerning Rule 38 and Rule 15:

To explain our case, we look to the language of Rule 38, which was adopted in its current form in 1964. The rule states: “no delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.”

The unit rule does not prohibit a state from using a winner-take-all primary in the same way that Rule 15(b) prohibits most states from using a winner-take-all primary when holding a contest earlier than April 1st. However, the unit rule does prohibit binding delegates to vote according to how a majority of delegates from their state vote – again, a scenario most likely to occur in a state using the winner-take-all rule.

As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.

http://www.fairvote.org/response-to-...1#.T6Xo2FIw-q2

Despite this misinformation those delegates are still bound to vote Romney. Try again PO.

The point, in the video, is that rules were voided when the RNC violated their own rules when they announced they will finance Romney before the convention. A Republican Primary is underway - seems Romney and the RNC don't realize that.

The real reality is that without media coverage, they will get what they want. Another indication that Romney runs a campaign and aligns himself with the actions of Obama. I have never seen a Republican campaign that mirrored so much the actions of the Democrats.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

po, even real clear politics isn't reflecting the same delegate count that this website mentioned by ben swan is

http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/

why the discrepancy?

This is the website that we follow. Go halfway down the page and you will find - 2012 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions. It lines out the soft and hard delegate count.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

[Dedicated Mind]

po, according to green papers, mitt only needs about 380 and there are still 897 available. looks like he is going to make it. wouldn't a brokered convention overturn the will of the people? the rnc didn't force all those primary voters to vote for mitt.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

po, according to green papers, mitt only needs about 380 and there are still 897 available. looks like he is going to make it. wouldn't a brokered convention overturn the will of the people? the rnc didn't force all those primary voters to vote for mitt.

Paul could still get enough delegates to stop him. I can't recall the exact number, but it is somewhere in the low 300s. My husband is voting for Ron Paul in our primary and I'm deciding whether I want to go with Paul or Newt. Even though Newt has suspended, he can still receive delegates. Santorum could still make his case at Convention. He's won at least 5 states.

And it was the media driving the narrative. That is something that both Santorum and Gingrich acknowledged. You can claim they were whining, but we saw it happening. I'm truly disappointed in the negativity that Romney brought toward his other opponents. The worst I've seen in the Republican Party. It may just seem worse because it was a long drawn out process,

I don't think a moderate Republican can beat an incumbent because, people view them as being closely aligned.

I was talking to someone today who has no interest in politics. They said, "I think the American people are comfortable with Obama and aren't interested in Romney." I thought that was an interesting comment. I tended to agree after I listened to Michelle speaking at a campaign rally today.

What I think is that they have fear mongered us into believing that we must get rid of Obama and that may be true, BUT the way Romney comes across, it doesn't make you feel the change would be that urgent or that big of a change.

My question would be - If we have a Constitution, a Supreme Court and a military that pledges they will "uphold the Constitution of the United States", how is Obama going to become a dictator and how will he change us without legal challenge?

Because, if all of this is fear mongering, I would rather muddle through 4 more years of Obama than to have 8 years of Rhino status quo. They are killing our country as well. We need a committed conservative and that will only happen like it did with the rise of the Tea Party. That group was destined to fall apart because they refused to have a leader and some co-opted factions and ruined a good thing. Nonetheless, it showed what Americans will do if the fighting gets tough, the tough get fighting.

[Pressing-On]

A little more on the Brokered Convention

The "magic number" this year is 1,144 delegates -- half of the total who will attend the Convention. Romney's pattern is to win, but not quite get to the 50% mark -- after Maine, he has about 47% of the delegates. When delegates go to the convention, they are committed to vote for the nominee for whom they were elected on the FIRST ballot. If the current pattern continues, Romney will get 47% on the first ballot -- not enough to win -- so the delegates are then free to vote for whomever they prefer on the second ballot and subsequent ballots. That is a "brokered convention" -- anyone can win, even someone who did not run in the primaries, because the delegates can vote for anyone they like.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012_Brokered_Convention.htm

[canam]

I cant support a nut case like Paul who suggested we cut off the troops AC in the tents to save money and when asked how he would deal with the world said how about do unto others..... ,total idiot statement sounded like it came from Barck.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by canam

I cant support a nut case like Paul who suggested we cut off the troops AC in the tents to save money and when asked how he would deal with the world said how about do unto others..... ,total idiot statement sounded like it came from Barck.

Politics 2012: Ron Paul raining on Romney's parade

Mitt Romney may be getting all the splashy headlines in his march toward the August Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., but fellow Republican Ron Paul has been steadily fundraising, visiting primary states, picking up delegates and gaining control of state party organizations.

While Paul is given virtually no chance of claiming the nomination in Tampa, he sure can try to jam up things and possibly deny Romney the nomination on the first ballot, insiders said. A candidate needs 1,144 delegates to win the party nod.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/...#ixzz1u6YftSmv

This is what we want to happen and I am hoping that Ron Paul can bring it!

[Pressing-On]

Reading this article paragraph below, would this be the point in the video, that Rule 38 does not conflict with Rule 11?

Recap:

RNC Rule 38: No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or congressional district to impose the Unit Rule.

RNC Rule 11: All delegates from one state or congressional district are required and bound to vote as a unit.

RNC to NV GOP: Don’t let Ron Paul delegates take over national convention slots or don’t bother coming to Tampa

Clearly, the RNC fears that mischief at the Sparks convention this weekend could result in Ron Paul delegates taking Mitt Romney slots and then not abiding by GOP rules to vote for the presumptive nominee on the first ballot in Tampa. So they are trying to force McDonald to ensure that actual Romney delegates fill 20 of the 28 national convention slots, thus removing any mystery of who they will vote for.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ral...s-take-over-n/