Understanding the Purpose of the Son's Death

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I consider myself Apostolic also, I'm just not oneness pentecostal anymore.

Your struggle is with the inability of the oneness, or trinitarian, position concerning God and Jesus to reconcile with scripture. In both positions, God becomes schizophrenic, interacting with Himself as if He's multiple persons, having multiple wills, thinking He's His own Son, crying out to Himself asking Himself why He's forsaken Himself. He loves another, Jesus, but is really not loving another but is instead loving Himself. This other person He sometimes pretends He is also loves the first person who is His pretend Father.

God is Father, Jesus is His Son who isn't God. It's so very very simple. There's absolutely no reason to have a twisting, pretzel shaped, theology in an impossible attempt to make Jesus God.

Jesus Christ was with God and is God and this has been His Identity since the begining.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus Christ was with God and is God and this has been His Identity since the begining.

and when we start to try to really understand "with God and is God" and make it simple enough to fit into our finite minds and make it a theological point, we are in trouble.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by Duplicitous

I am, and have always been an Apostolic.

Lately, however, I have been struggling to understand the intimated relationship between, and meaning of, the words (titles) Father and Son.

Why did Jesus feel the need to use these words (titles) instead of "flesh and Spirit?"

Partially because He was our example, showing us how to be perfect sons unto God the our Father. We are now the sons of God.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Duplicitous

I am, and have always been an Apostolic.

Lately, however, I have been struggling to understand the intimated relationship between, and meaning of, the words (titles) Father and Son.

Why did Jesus feel the need to use these words (titles) instead of "flesh and Spirit?"

Why did he use the titles bridegroom and bride to describe the relationship between the church and himself?

The fact is he used these terms to relate relationships to the human mind. Not only that but in the sense of creation the manifested "flesh" of the son is actually begotten of the father. That glorified human nature of Christ had no Earthly father. Only God could beget a perfect human. Therefore he created himself a son by manifesting himself as flesh and being born through a human birth canal. He is the only being that is his own son. He manifested himself in human form, and we know his human form to be his son because it was his creation.

I can beget a son, however I cannot re-enter a woman's womb as myself and birth me in another form or manifestation. God can. It only serves to show us how amazing our God is.