B.R. Hicks and Christ Gospel International

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dont worry the AOG would not take then in because they baptize in Jesus name.

Oh I know that... but since Christ Gospel is trying to manipulate the truth about who they are and what they believe, there are some that could be easily deceived to believe by that posting of Articles of Faith that they are somehow more mainline.

BTW, when abbreviating Assemblies of God, it's always AG, not AOG. Not sure why, but many of my Assemblies of God friends have corrected me on it, had my hand slapped many a time, lol. But for some reason, the abbreviation for Church of God is COG.... so go figure.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Oh I know that... but since Christ Gospel is trying to manipulate the truth about who they are and what they believe, there are some that could be easily deceived to believe by that posting of Articles of Faith that they are somehow more mainline.

BTW, when abbreviating Assemblies of God, it's always AG, not AOG. Not sure why, but many of my Assemblies of God friends have corrected me on it, had my hand slapped many a time, lol. But for some reason, the abbreviation for Church of God is COG.... so go figure.

I understand their deceptive tatics the Oneness folks have their number they blindsighted them 50 years ago and caused much harm. Her evangelists preached for A. O. Holmes at Little Rock in revivals and spoke so highly of Bernice he invited her for a Camp day teacher. After the first day he shut her down and sent her packing. Her influence split the old Tulsa church. Bishop Martin at New Bethel shut down their noted evangelist Leonard Conners. So the Christ Gospel bunch has been considered among Oneness folks as hereticks for years now. They are trying to fish in a new hole. I wonder what will happen to them when she dies?

[kclee4jc]

What are their strange doctrines? Ya'll got me curious.

[Bro. Robbins]

I would imagine they'll treat her much like the Branhamites do him. They'll be playing over and over again her tapes, videos, etc.... reproducing her literature, etc.... visiting her grave etc. and she'll be raised to almost diety level in their minds. They'll never be able to go mainline, Trinitarian or Oneness.... too much history and too much baggage.

I have a very good friend of mine, he's much more conservative than I... and I'm pretty conservative... and I have a lot of confidence in him. He is really into her and doesn't seem to see the warning flags I see.

He is so impressed with their outward standards (which I admit are impressive and more in line with what the Bible teaches) and the fact that she has built this great, large network of churches.... that both of these somehow put some seal of approval on her. And neither, to my knowledge are lithmus tests of God's approval on doctrine overall.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I would imagine they'll treat her much like the Branhamites do him. They'll be playing over and over again her tapes, videos, etc.... reproducing her literature, etc.... visiting her grave etc. and she'll be raised to almost diety level in their minds. They'll never be able to go mainline, Trinitarian or Oneness.... too much history and too much baggage.

I have a very good friend of mine, he's much more conservative than I... and I'm pretty conservative... and I have a lot of confidence in him. He is really into her and doesn't seem to see the warning flags I see.

He is so impressed with their outward standards (which I admit are impressive and more in line with what the Bible teaches) and the fact that she has built this great, large network of churches.... that both of these somehow put some seal of approval on her. And neither, to my knowledge are lithmus tests of God's approval on doctrine overall.

I must confess she has done a great job holing on to the outward standards of dress in her movement though immorality has been rampant.
My confusion is how can a man ever think a woman can Biblically have this authority? She orders them men around like they were little boys.

[AreYouReady?]

Simple...they gave her the authority to order them around. She could not otherwise have any authority if people do not give their consent.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Simple...they gave her the authority to order them around. She could not otherwise have any authority if people do not give their consent.

Yep.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

There is much to be said about the appropriate role of women in the church and ministry. There are those that would run to say, in Christ there is no male or female. And that's true in regards to the freedom of the gift of salvation and God's ability to work a redemptive work in their lives.

However, Scripture is plain that there is a distinct role between men and women. To say something is not equal does not by any means declare that one thing is inferior to the other. Oranges and Apples are by no means equal, and neither is one inferior to the other.

If men and women were equal in God's eyes, he would have just created another man for Adam. He created woman, because her role is a distinct compliment to man, and man to her role.

And the Scripture is plain to show that the role of men and women are distinct within the church. I currently am ordained with an organization started by a woman. We have some women pastors... and I can enumerate a plethora of issues that have come out of strong female presence in the leadership and a lack of Biblical male leadership. It has caused many issues.... and now we are reaping the consequences and trying to correct many of those ills.

Our current bishop believes as I do, it is not God's perfect will that women serve as bishops, or as pastors. They can have an annointing to minister, to encourage and even teach.... but they cannot serve in the same Spiritual authority as a man within the body... much less the home. God may have allowed some women pastors within his permissive will due to the lack of men having the backbone to step up to their calling, but it is far from his Perfect Will for the church.

I preach for some lady pastors, love them, pray for them, but they know where I stand on the issue. And I could never be a member under a lady pastor, or be accountable to a woman bishop/superintendent.... just doesn't fit God's framework.

What org is this if you don't mind me asking? This was largely the direction the PAW was going back when I first got saved, in my district that is. I believe in women preachers and teachers, not pastors however.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

What org is this if you don't mind me asking? This was largely the direction the PAW was going back when I first got saved, in my district that is. I believe in women preachers and teachers, not pastors however.

The one with the false teachings being discussed is Christ Gospel Church International, headed by B.R. Hicks.

The organization I am ordained with is Emmanuel Churches of Christ (Pentecostal).

[KeptByTheWord]

It is my experience that women pastors are unbiblical. There were women teachers, and perhaps even preachers of the gospel, but a women's place was never meant to supersede those of her husband.

I see what Sis. Alvear is doing as a perfect example of a woman in ministry. She preaches and teaches, but ultimately she is under the leadership of her husband. She lives the great example of how a woman should have a role in ministry, I think.

I have seen women pastors who have churches full of sissified men, and it is sickening. I have seen woman pastors who have caused so much destruction and turmoil because they have not stayed within the guidelines, and boundaries set up by the early church. We never see a woman in a leadership role, but you do see Aquila and Priscilla mentioned as leaders in the church, but never do you see Priscilla mentioned alone, she is always mentioned with her husband. We see Chloe who was a deaconness, which would be like a teaching/preaching position perhaps today in our culture, but we do not ever see a woman named to be a bishop, presiding over a group of men.

I believe there is a place for women in ministry, but it should be a place where their role complements their husband, but never detracts, subtracts or divides.