Christians and how they make everything...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The Bible says, you shall know them by their fruits.

If the fruits are bad, you can pretty well say
that a person is not a Christian.

However...... you never know what happened in the
last hour of their lives.
They could have repented sincerely and called upon
the name of the Lord.
That would mean they are saved if they did.

Yes, yes, you die hard UPCI'ers, I know, you would say they need
to be speaking in tongues and be baptized in water in order to be saved.
But I don't believe that way. So there!

It's God's desire that ALL be saved, thats why it says in His Word
that all who call upon His name will be saved.

Die Hard UPC? LOL! As if we have to go to a UPC Church to understand the doctrine of Christ. I have been in UPC Churches at tops 15-20 times.

Yet I would would say UPC in general is probably farther along than your typical Protestant Evangelical group.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

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This is what Luke 5:32 says, Navygoat:

King James Version (KJV)
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Navygoat, you added to that scripture!
You always "rewrite" scripture to back up your case?

I am just trying to fit in with in the scripture twisters

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't know the eternal destination of anyone, whether heaven or hell. To assume the status of their salvation or whether they they are "living for god" is a dangerous path to travel.

Oh stop it! We are talking about blantant stuff that is not even questionable that people say and know. This is about the position THAT THEY ARE AND PEOPLE DO WHAT I SAID ALL THE TIME! Also this is more about what people BELIEVE and then do JUST the opposite of what they believe and say things that are contradictive to be nice. In part yes we don't know a persons destiny though we may have a good idea of their destiny BUT the ISSUE is people SAYING THEY ARE is just as BAD as saying THEY ARE NOT in heaven. Somehow everyone makes it WRONG to judge someone NEGATIVELY and not POSTIVELY. You still are bearing false witness. Espcially when everyone knows pregnant lady is inconsistent with things. Then her boyfriend and her break up and she goes. Wow you really never know somone until you live with them. YET YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ALL GOD THAT brought about a bastard child, sex outside of marriage all the while claiming God leading your life and thanking him for THIS blessing. Oh yeah... makes sense while OTHER CHRISTIANS support this speaking nothing but how God is blessing you while still in sin. PATHETIC! The whole LOVE IS ALWAYS positive is a lie. Love might not say something but love does not sit there and bear false witness while lacking knowledge and claiming someone in heaven or supporting someones thought process that God is leading their life and calling results of sin a blessings directed by God.

[LUKE2447]

While we are at it let's add PASTORS and others in ministry to the list. When things go south for them. They claim God calling to leave after they have bankrupted the church etc... Christians use God as a excuse all the time. "God has called us to these changes........" Then when it hits the fan the pastor or ministry jump ship or compromise and look at other avenues. People use God as a candy stick for pet projects all the time in churches. It's like people that get sick and don't change their horrible eating habits and say well it's God's will for me to be sick. I have sought God for years and it's a burden or thorn I am to carry. blah blah blah Then you got people asking for healing and God's will. Yet when he does not heal them. Let's go to the surgeon/doctor for those radiation treatments because him not healing you means go to take chemo to be healed. Then we thank God in many cases for the scarred and detroyed half life they have after it effects. God bless those hands that poisoned us.

[Dordrecht]

Navygoat either quoted tongue in cheek
OR has been socializing to much
with JW's or other cults.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

While we are at it let's add PASTORS and others in ministry to the list. When things go south for them. They claim God calling to leave after they have bankrupted the church etc... Christians use God as a excuse all the time. "God has called us to these changes........" Then when it hits the fan the pastor or ministry jump ship or compromise and look at other avenues. People use God as a candy stick for pet projects all the time in churches. It's like people that get sick and don't change their horrible eating habits and say well it's God's will for me to be sick. I have sought God for years and it's a burden or thorn I am to carry. blah blah blah Then you got people asking for healing and God's will. Yet when he does not heal them. Let's go to the surgeon/doctor for those radiation treatments because him not healing you means go to take chemo to be healed. Then we thank God in many cases for the scarred and detroyed half life they have after it effects. God bless those hands that poisoned us.

What kind of church are you
talking about?

Oh....I got it. Never mind!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

What kind of church are you
talking about?

Oh....I got it. Never mind!

I am talking peoples mentality in general. It's not just A church but people and the current mindset that seems to be in American CHristian culture.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Navygoat either quoted tongue in cheek
OR has been socializing to much
with JW's or other cults.

[LifeUncommon]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Oh stop it! We are talking about blantant stuff that is not even questionable that people say and know. This is about the position THAT THEY ARE AND PEOPLE DO WHAT I SAID ALL THE TIME! Also this is more about what people BELIEVE and then do JUST the opposite of what they believe and say things that are contradictive to be nice. In part yes we don't know a persons destiny though we may have a good idea of their destiny BUT the ISSUE is people SAYING THEY ARE is just as BAD as saying THEY ARE NOT in heaven. Somehow everyone makes it WRONG to judge someone NEGATIVELY and not POSTIVELY. You still are bearing false witness. Espcially when everyone knows pregnant lady is inconsistent with things. Then her boyfriend and her break up and she goes. Wow you really never know somone until you live with them. YET YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ALL GOD THAT brought about a bastard child, sex outside of marriage all the while claiming God leading your life and thanking him for THIS blessing. Oh yeah... makes sense while OTHER CHRISTIANS support this speaking nothing but how God is blessing you while still in sin. PATHETIC! The whole LOVE IS ALWAYS positive is a lie. Love might not say something but love does not sit there and bear false witness while lacking knowledge and claiming someone in heaven or supporting someones thought process that God is leading their life and calling results of sin a blessings directed by God.

Sorry you don't like it, but the Bible is clear that we don't stand in judgement of the salvation of others. And there going to be a people who get to the judgement thinking they are saved, and will be turned away because they are not.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

Sorry you don't like it, but the Bible is clear that we don't stand in judgement of the salvation of others. And there going to be a people who get to the judgement thinking they are saved, and will be turned away because they are not.

Thanks for not really reading what is being said and not even dealing with what is said. Develop those comprehension skills.