Is music taking over the church?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Too bad prayer isn't taking over the church.

Yeah, too bad men chanting "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" as they clap their hands

And

Women whaling "Jeeeeeeeeezuuuuuuus!!!"

while men and women throw in some glossalic phrases isn't taking over the church!!!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

Yeah, too bad men chanting "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" as they clap their hands

And

Women whaling "Jeeeeeeeeezuuuuuuus!!!"

while men and women throw in some glossalic phrases isn't taking over the church!!!

Is that what you call prayer? Cause it sure ain't what I call prayer.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Too bad prayer isn't taking over the church.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Is that what you call prayer? Cause it sure ain't what I call prayer.

That is how most (that I know) pray. Sad, really.

Forgot, there's also the "binding" of devils. Whatever that means.

LOL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I must confess that this is an area that I struggle with. I have even been tempted to leave traditional church because it grieves me so.

Please allow me to repeat what I wrote on another thread concerning this very subject.

David Wilkerson warned many years ago about music taking over the churches. He was right. I remember about 15 years ago when I looked around and it hit me....where had the true "congregational singing" gone? Instead of a worship leader and a couple of people backing him/her up, suddenly there were 10 or 15 of a so called "praise team" up there singing. You really can't tell half the time if you're supposed to be singing or listening. I suddenly found myself asking "Is this supposed to be a special ensemble number, or one the whole church is supposed to be singing?"

And then on a so called "congregational song", one of the praise singers always feels the need to break into a solo. And please don't get me started on the shallowness of the words to these songs! We need to stop getting our so called "praise music" from the local FM Contemporary Christian radio stations and get back to singing songs that truly magnify the majesty of God, but are written for the untrained singer to sing, and not just the professional on the platform.

About three years ago someone sent me a video by Jack Hayford. In just a few minutes Hayford articulated what I had been having a hard time putting into words. i posted this video on my Facebook page and was immediately attacked, even though I had no one particular person in mind at the time. But boy did it cause a stir!!! Please keep in mind while viewing that Hayford made these observations in 1995. How right on he was then!! We are now seeing the horrible fruit of what he predicted then concerning music in the church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8PUk3HiIA

Hmmm...when I first walked into a Pentecostal church they were singing out of "hymnals" and I was....listening..

People sang and listened back then just as the do now.

Most "congregational" songs were actually litergy...reinforcing doctrine and people sang them over and over and over and over. That may be one reason why there are so many Trinitarians. It's called indoctrination.

And also not all songs were meant to be a sing-alongs.

Paul said to edify one another in song and hymns

Eph 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart,

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

God created music with angelic beings to sing to His glory. When those angelic beings became lifted up, a third of them were cast out of heaven. Music was part of Satan's downfall, according to what we know from scripture.

I believe any music/singing which purpose and intent is to glorify God, and God alone, is acceptable to the Lord. Anything that somehow elevates, and lifts up the one singing/playing is not acceptable to God, and His glory will not stick around.

Yeah...I don't believe the scriptures teach music was satan's downfall

[Esther]

Moderation in all things is still a fruit of the Spirit.

I visited a church recently that I used to go to. Yes they have a great music dept but I was so tired standing singing songs that most I had no clue about, and I agree with someone else that recently commented that the new songs don't seem to be birth in trials and tribulations as many of the older songs were. Not all of course.

But "back in the day" we had congregational songs and choir songs and you knew the difference. It was before "praise singers". I have nothing against praise singers as I enjoy their singing, and once was on a praise singers team. Talk about tired FEET!!!

Anyway, I agree we need to have more balance.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah...I don't believe the scriptures teach music was satan's downfall

I guess I've always heard it taught from this verse that Lucifer was as a musician in heaven before being cast down to the earth...

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah...I don't believe the scriptures teach music was satan's downfall

"I will be like like the Most High God", this was his downfall.

[houston]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

"I will be like like the Most High God", this was his downfall.

Lucifer was a Mormon?