Well Technically Speaking....

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by houston

I am very sorry...

On this we agree.

[The Lemon]

I am just trying to ask a question and understand full well the Apostolic viewpoint - I did not roll out of bed into church yesterday.

Even Jeff Arnold will tell you that the gospel is not ACTS 2:38 - it can be stated that it is the response but it certainly is not the gospel.

I am also friends with men like Chester Wright who will not take the position of sending AG folks to hell over the titles baptism. He will not emphatically state that he knows they are saved, but he also will not state they are not. when he and I talked he simply stated "I hope so" - this is someone who is invited to preach at many "trinitarian" pentecostal churches.

The only thing I find hard to grasp is taking a hard line stance on this - Cornelieus may have been taught more truth, but was still considered a man mighty in the scriptures. Like I said, I am not waffling on how I would baptize, just curious on the absolute dogmatic approach....

Maybe I should have kept it to myself...

[Pliny]

Baptism is in FACT part of the gospel.
The Philippian jailer was told the gospel and was immediately baptized.

Repeating a command is NOT the same thing as obeying a command. John said:
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

Sins are washed away by calling upon the name not the titles.
We are baptized into HIM not THEM (Rom. 6).
Sins are remitted by the name.

I always find it amazing that some will pray in Jesus' name.
Some will cast out devils in Jesus' name.
Some will heal the sick in Jesus' name.
etc.

But refuse to use the name in baptism.

Acts 2:38 is as much part of the gospel as the cross.

[DanShaf]

The Apostles in the book of Acts took a hardline stance..Some things are absolutely absolute. We might be able to discuss whether or not your sleeves need to be below your elbow,but if you cannot hold fast to the Doctrine of Baptism as taught by the scriptures,then please let someone else do the preaching,teaching,baptising!

[houston]

Sins are not forgiven at baptism. Acts 2:38 is not a part of the gospel.

[houston]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

The Apostles in the book of Acts took a hardline stance..Some things are absolutely absolute. We might be able to discuss whether or not your sleeves need to be below your elbow,but if you cannot hold fast to the Doctrine of Baptism as taught by the scriptures,then please let someone else do the preaching,teaching,baptising!

Where is this hardline stance?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by houston

Sins are not forgiven at baptism. Acts 2:38 is not a part of the gospel.

Remission of sins has everything to do with the gospel.
And sins are forgiven/remitted by baptism in Jesus' name.

Ignorance is bliss and some people are exceedingly blissful.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Remission of sins has everything to do with the gospel.
And sins are forgiven/remitted by baptism in Jesus' name.

Ignorance is bliss and some people are exceedingly blissful.

It is sad that you believe so much false doctrine.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

There is no other way but through Jesus Christ.

Then why do some folks plot the route through someone in addition to Jesus Christ, i.e., the saving path of a man performing the baptismal ritual 'correctly'.....the oneness Pentecostal preacher?

The route to having one's sins remitted in some oneness Pentecostal teachings is really no different than the roman catholic view. There are many romanist practices in most Christian sects today, including the oneness Pentecostal (circa 1913) sect.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Just throwing out a question that I know has been asked and talked about on here probably a zillion times but at any rate here goes:

Saw a post today from a friend and minister and her was preaching (or ranting) about how your sins can only be remmitted if when you are baptized the preacher proclaims the name of Jesus.

Further more - he went on to say if you were baptized in the titles that you were decieved by the devil and that you would reside in the lake of fire if you are not baptized "correctly".

That is the jist at any rate. Now - I am not starting this so we all can berate one another on this subject - that said, my initial question after I read his post was - "Do we really believe that God sends people to Hell for all eternity over a technicality?"

Now, if I baptize, I do do it in the name of Jesus, and would personally not do it any other way - but that being said, I have a serious problem with grouping folks as unsaved and hellbound over what was or was not said at the moment of baptism.

Call me a coward, but it is a bit of a gray area to me and I was astonished at how bold and matter of fact this preacher friend was putting it in his post - I kinda scratched my head on that one..

I will say that many are not baptized in a "biblical" manner and encourage that they follow the Apostolic pattern as found in Scripture. However, God alone is the judge of the heart and soul of the individual.