Come Out Of Her My People

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Lafon

renee819, I am persuaded that the battles which lie just beyond the horizon of the morrow for all of God's chosen people will bring about a return to the way things were done by the Christians of the 1st Century. What man is unwilling to do of their own accord, circumstances will compel it to be so. Of this I am irrevocably convinced... change is coming to the manner in which we "do Church," but sadly, at this time, most are ill prepared for it!

Daniel 11:35
"And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

It makes me weep to think about it. And yes, this is true. Some of the things that we are posting on here now, may in the future cause us persecution. But I think it is important to warn people.

It is a shame that God has to bring persecution to get His Church, to be serious enough to give up "the spirit of this world." And the desire to be accepted by other churches, to the point of compromising the Truth.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Daniel 11:35
"And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Originally Posted by renee819

It makes me weep to think about it. And yes, this is true. Some of the things that we are posting on here now, may in the future cause us persecution. But I think it is important to warn people.

It is a shame that God has to bring persecution to get His Church, to be serious enough to give up "the spirit of this world." And the desire to be accepted by other churches, to the point of compromising the Truth.

And this absolutely makes no sense to me. I know I know, "You clearly do not have spiritual insight!" is what I will hear. . . . .

[renee819]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

And this absolutely makes no sense to me. I know I know, "You clearly do not have spiritual insight!" is what I will hear. . . . .

No, I won't say that to you. But I will ask, have you done much studies on end-time Prophecy. And I'm not talking about just reading Ervin Baxters or someone else's books. But study from the Word of God? Although books can help, but you have to wade thru a lot of misinformation, and compare it with the Bible.

[n david]

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

I don't believe this is speaking about church buildings, tithes/offerings, etc. It clearly states "...be not partakers of her SINS."

You give the RCC too much credit. Like it or not, tithes and offerings are in the OT. That was done by Israel, not something started later by the RCC. Clergy and Laity are also not something created by the RCC. IMO, the RCC took that from the example of the priests in the Bible. One could also argue the Temple and Synagogues were the first "church buildings." The Synagogues had daily and weekly teaching and instruction in the Torah; the Temple was for annual rites and sacrifices.

This whole thing is kind of left field to me. The thought that we should abandon buildings and such because of the connection to the RCC is absurd. The RCC practices prayer and communion, so I suppose we should shun that as well.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe this is speaking about church buildings, tithes/offerings, etc. It clearly states "...be not partakers of her SINS."

You give the RCC too much credit. Like it or not, tithes and offerings are in the OT. That was done by Israel, not something started later by the RCC. Clergy and Laity are also not something created by the RCC. IMO, the RCC took that from the example of the priests in the Bible. One could also argue the Temple and Synagogues were the first "church buildings." The Synagogues had daily and weekly teaching and instruction in the Torah; the Temple was for annual rites and sacrifices.

This whole thing is kind of left field to me. The thought that we should abandon buildings and such because of the connection to the RCC is absurd. The RCC practices prayer and communion, so I suppose we should shun that as well.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly.

[KeptByTheWord]

IF you can find and attend a church whose sincere purpose and mission is focused on Jesus, that is a wonderful thing, and I believe there must still be those type churches out there.

But for every church that has the real heart of Jesus at their core, there are a hundred whose main focus is not about Christ, but more about a building, a program, a financial obligation, a social event, a preacher, a worship team... and on the list goes etc...

If there is a ministry or a church whose heart is such as John the Baptist... i.e. "I must decrease, but HE must increase"... that is the kind of church to be a part of. But when a church becomes all about who is the pastor, how great the worship team is, or what kind of building program is going on, and so on the list goes... I would not be interested in being a part of such a place.

Finding a church or a ministry that truly has an "I must decrease" heartbeat... now that is the challenge. That is why home churches are appealing to those who are tired of the shows that go on in so many of the churches today, and less of that is dealt with in a home church setting.

Home churches are not perfect, not by any means... but they are far better than going nowhere at all... or being a part of a church who has a "please me" mindset.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe this is speaking about church buildings, tithes/offerings, etc. It clearly states "...be not partakers of her SINS."

You give the RCC too much credit. Like it or not, tithes and offerings are in the OT. That was done by Israel, not something started later by the RCC. Clergy and Laity are also not something created by the RCC. IMO, the RCC took that from the example of the priests in the Bible. One could also argue the Temple and Synagogues were the first "church buildings." The Synagogues had daily and weekly teaching and instruction in the Torah; the Temple was for annual rites and sacrifices.

This whole thing is kind of left field to me. The thought that we should abandon buildings and such because of the connection to the RCC is absurd. The RCC practices prayer and communion, so I suppose we should shun that as well.

I don't think we have to abandon buildings IMO. There is no command to build one is all.. As you probably know the church is the people. We are all in a royal priesthood and have direct access to the throne. There are no special ones {clergy} as earthly intercessors for the lowly laity.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

IF you can find and attend a church whose sincere purpose and mission is focused on Jesus, that is a wonderful thing, and I believe there must still be those type churches out there.

But for every church that has the real heart of Jesus at their core, there are a hundred whose main focus is not about Christ, but more about a building, a program, a financial obligation, a social event, a preacher, a worship team... and on the list goes etc...

If there is a ministry or a church whose heart is such as John the Baptist... i.e. "I must decrease, but HE must increase"... that is the kind of church to be a part of. But when a church becomes all about who is the pastor, how great the worship team is, or what kind of building program is going on, and so on the list goes... I would not be interested in being a part of such a place.

Finding a church or a ministry that truly has an "I must decrease" heartbeat... now that is the challenge. That is why home churches are appealing to those who are tired of the shows that go on in so many of the churches today, and less of that is dealt with in a home church setting.

Home churches are not perfect, not by any means... but they are far better than going nowhere at all... or being a part of a church who has a "please me" mindset.

Amen! And thank you, Kept by the Word.

That is the Truth, exactly. Buildings mean nothing. We could meet in a Restaurant, a warehouse, a home, storefront, anywhere. That shouldn't be the point.

[renee819]

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues

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N David wrote

I don't believe this is speaking about church buildings, tithes/offerings, etc. It clearly states "...be not partakers of her SINS."

And what the RCC has put into place has led to sin. It was sin in the first place, because, …
Constantine, for Political reasons, a Pagan until he died, took churches away from Pagan Priests and gave them, to the Christians. Which sounds great, but at what price? They had to compromise, agree to baptize in the Trinity.

It is a sin to compromise with False Doctrine.

N David wrote

You give the RCC too much credit. Like it or not, tithes and offerings are in the OT. That was done by Israel, not something started later by the RCC

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David, take a lesson from history. It has been said, “Those that don't know their history are bound to repeat it.”
Constantine started the first United Religions. Combining Paganism, OT teachings and Christianity.
Of course Tithes were in the OT. Three types of Tithes. I believe most of it was food. And the Priests were not allowed to own property. But we are not to go back to the laws of the OT. Jesus brought us a New Covenant. Which did not include Tithes. Nor did the First Century Church receive Tithes. To go back to the OT and "cherry-pick" just the laws you want to abide by, is just as bad, as the Denominal Churches, that pick certain scriptures for their salvation, in the New Testament, while ignoring the Foundation.

N David wrote

Clergy and Laity are also not something created by the RCC. IMO, the RCC took that from the example of the priests in the Bible. One could also argue the Temple and Synagogues were the first "church buildings." The Synagogues had daily and weekly teaching and instruction in the Torah; the Temple was for annual rites and sacrifices.

Again to find Priests, and Synagogues, you have to go back to the Old Testament. Jesus told the Apostles,...

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

I've met many ministers that claim to be humble, and are there to minister to the people, but if you try to point out what you think is not right, see what happens. I have seen it happen over and over again. For instance, there was a big split in the church that I belonged to, for over 30 yrs. Over toeless shoes.

N David wrote,

This whole thing is kind of left field to me. The thought that we should abandon buildings and such because of the connection to the RCC is absurd. The RCC practices prayer and communion, so I suppose we should shun that as well

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Do you practice prayer (beads) and communion the same way that the RCC does?
I'm not really saying that we have to abandon buildings. I don't know what to say about that. But if they are set up as little Kingdoms with a King (man) as the ruler. Then I see no other way than to abandon the whole system. But any man in that position is not likely to do so.

However, persecution is on it's way. And just like Constantine, the churches will be asked to join the One World Religion, and if not, they will take the buildings away from you.

I read an article where a person was at one of these United Religion Meetings. And the question was asked, what would happen to people that would not join? It was stated, “They have to be eliminated.”

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by renee819

No, I won't say that to you. But I will ask, have you done much studies on end-time Prophecy. And I'm not talking about just reading Ervin Baxters or someone else's books. But study from the Word of God? Although books can help, but you have to wade thru a lot of misinformation, and compare it with the Bible.

Placing the question mark on the end of that sentence sums up this whole thread.