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06-05-2007, 02:19 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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I preface my comments by telling you that I used to be overweight, but am now in excellent shape.  .
Corporately, there is definite discrimination.
Within the context of the Apostolic sphere, there doesn't seem to be as much. Look at some of most respected speakers in the UPC.
People, that includes sinners and saints, are definitely more attracted to people who have managed their lives well. Often, being overwieght is an indication of a lack of self-discipline/ self-control.
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06-05-2007, 02:38 PM
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He he......you called? 
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She called you in to dismiss you. She decided on the stud muffin.
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06-05-2007, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by "GL"
I preface my comments by telling you that I used to be overweight, but am now in excellent shape. .
Corporately, there is definite discrimination.
Within the context of the Apostolic sphere, there doesn't seem to be as much. Look at some of most respected speakers in the UPC.
People, that includes sinners and saints, are definitely more attracted to people who have managed their lives well. Often, being overwieght is an indication of a lack of self-discipline/ self-control.
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Maybe you can give insight to those of us trapped in the cubicle farms.
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06-05-2007, 02:41 PM
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As one who, in the last 4 years, has gone from morbidly obese to 'fat' with a small 'f' (>450 to 230lbs) some people treat me much better now that I'm almost a 'normal' size.
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06-05-2007, 03:08 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I seem to recall a discussion about this a while back but I can't find it on AFF.
Are fat people discriminated against? Do they miss out on jobs and ministry opportunities because of their weight? If you had to choose between exact replicas of the same church - yet one church had a fat pastor and the other a stud muffin, would you choose the stud muffin solely based upon the other guy's obesity problem?
Are fat people paid less?
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They should lose the weight and find out.
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06-05-2007, 03:28 PM
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I think that fat people definately are discriminated against. Especially women. A woman I work with is really over weight and she said that there are some places that she knows wouldn't hire her b/c of her weight.
If I had to choose between the two based only on weight I don't know which way I'd go. Probably with the fat pastor. Sorry but if the other pastor is a "stud muffin" that could cause certain females to join for the wrong reason. Some may even try to entice him away from his wife. That happens in churches around here. With the fat pastor there may be less of a chance of that kind of nonsense starting in the church.
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I seem to recall a discussion about this a while back but I can't find it on AFF.
Are fat people discriminated against? Do they miss out on jobs and ministry opportunities because of their weight? If you had to choose between exact replicas of the same church - yet one church had a fat pastor and the other a stud muffin, would you choose the stud muffin solely based upon the other guy's obesity problem?
Are fat people paid less?
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06-05-2007, 03:34 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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You're joking, right???
I guess I need a new eating plan for church growth.
Translation - People will trust me, because I am fat.
  
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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06-05-2007, 03:55 PM
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My pastor has expressly urged the ladies to fatten up their husbands, to lessen the chance of infidelity. Somewhat in jest.
I read an article within the last 2 years that proved that there is discrimination against the obese in this country. Discrimination in treatment, by people on the street and in terms of customer service, is quite widespread. Discrimination in employment is not systemic or catholic. There tend to be specific areas of employment that are worse, and in some cases there is the perception of discrimination when the person's obesity truly and technically disqualifies them from the job. All of it is worse for women than for men. Sorry, ladies. It may no longer be a man's world, but the fat lady is still waiting for her invitation to the songfest.
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06-05-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I seem to recall a discussion about this a while back but I can't find it on AFF.
Are fat people discriminated against? Do they miss out on jobs and ministry opportunities because of their weight? If you had to choose between exact replicas of the same church - yet one church had a fat pastor and the other a stud muffin, would you choose the stud muffin solely based upon the other guy's obesity problem?
Are fat people paid less?
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To "discriminate?", against fat people? I'm really not sure that using that word is appropriate in this case. Making a decision not to hire someone because they are overweight, requires one to set a dividing line at best. Studies have shown that the overweight (by this I mean to say, obese and morbidly obese) is a serious health issue that can cost a company a considerable amount of money in health care. Not hiring a smoker, is a wise decision due to the health risk the individual has willingly placed themselves into by using tobacco. People are obese because they have no control over their food intake and do not exercise. Hence, they will have serious health problems as a result. Make no mistake, over eating and nicotine addiction are behaviors that are curable by simply stopping the destructive behavior!
To discriminate then, in my humble opinion, is to be very discerning before hiring someone who is unable to control their personal health and habits which could easily cost the company more than what the employee could ever give by their labor.
I realize my comments will likely set off a fire storm of debate but, as a personnel manager, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I am required NOT to discriminate against anyone that falls within the Equal Employment Opportunity Act, but the obese and tobacco users are not a protected minority at this time.
Bro. Dave
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06-05-2007, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I seem to recall a discussion about this a while back but I can't find it on AFF.
Are fat people discriminated against? Do they miss out on jobs and ministry opportunities because of their weight? If you had to choose between exact replicas of the same church - yet one church had a fat pastor and the other a stud muffin, would you choose the stud muffin solely based upon the other guy's obesity problem?
Are fat people paid less?
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I don't care if someone is fat if they can hear from God.If the stud muffin cannot hear from God forget it.If the fat man cannot hear from God forget it.
Everyone struggles with some issue.The fat mans is just more evident.What is not evident is what worries me with some folks.lol.
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