Why Baptism Doesn't Wash Away Sins, Acts 10:43 - Page 2

DanShaf · #11 11-08-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

no one is saying that it's not essential

Oh I think the purpose of the question is probably to diminish the importance of this ceremony..We know that many have been baptized in Jesus name,whose sins were not washed away because they had no intention of giving them up..this does not make negative the TRUTH..that God expects us to enter in to His death,burial,and resurrection!

Real Realism · #12 11-08-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible interprets the Bible.

Yes, baptism is a command and ALL Christians should be baptized, in order to obey the scriptures and Biblical examples.

Still, the why behind baptism, the doctrine explaining the role of water baptism is important.

It is important to be correct-- though I still don't see people being sent to hell because they believe that water baptism washes away sin.

Much of the doctrinal striving and religious separating that people have participated in seems to be symptomatic of human-inspired pride and a lack of love for their brothers and sisters in Christ.

Acts 22:14-16: “Then he told me, ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and hear him speak. For you are to be his witness, telling everyone what you have seen and heard. What are you waiting for? Get up and be baptized. Have your sins washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.’"

According to Paul's conversion story, Jesus told him in a vision to be baptized and have his sins washed away, calling on the name of the Lord. Is it coincidental that the term "washed" is being used in context with a command to both participate in water baptism and call on the name of the Lord? Is "washed" in this context to be separated from the baptismal command and only indicate that sins are "washed away" when one calls upon the name of the Lord only? Or do they go hand-in-hand?

houston · #13 11-08-2013, 11:54 AM

Paul that wrote whosoever calls upon the name of The Lord shall be saved...

Paul that wrote that he came not to baptize...

DanShaf · #14 11-08-2013, 12:04 PM

If one continues to call..He SHALL...Baptism will be a part of his or her salvation. Apostle Paul allowed others to carry out the ceremony for him.

seekerman · #15 11-08-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DanShaf

If one continues to call..He SHALL...Baptism will be a part of his or her salvation. Apostle Paul allowed others to carry out the ceremony for him.

Scripture doesn't say that baptism would be a part of salvation, scripture plainly says that those who are baptized are saved.....

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Now, who believes that?

Esaias · #16 11-08-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible interprets the Bible.

Yes, baptism is a command and ALL Christians should be baptized, in order to obey the scriptures and Biblical examples.

Still, the why behind baptism, the doctrine explaining the role of water baptism is important.

It is important to be correct-- though I still don't see people being sent to hell because they believe that water baptism washes away sin.

Much of the doctrinal striving and religious separating that people have participated in seems to be symptomatic of human-inspired pride and a lack of love for their brothers and sisters in Christ.

"Arise, and be baptised, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

"...even baptism doth also now save us - not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God."

There are many under the delusion that people who hold to the apostles' teaching concerning baptism somehow don't understand 'the why behind baptism'. We understand the 'why behind baptism'. We proclaim the 'why behind baptism'.

But many people don't want to hear the 'why behind baptism', so they claim we are somehow missing the 'why behind baptism'.

Baptism is part of the new birth. Why?

Because it is the God-ordained way for people to respond to the gospel message of repentance and remission of sins through Jesus Christ.

Anyone who attempts to claim we somehow separate faith from baptism bears false witness, and will answer to the Lord for it.

We get baptised BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE GOOD NEWS. We get baptised BECAUSE WE BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST. (This is why we get baptised in HIS NAME, by the way...) We get baptised BECAUSE THE APPOINTED MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT SAID ALL MUST DO IT.

Abib 14, 1500-something BC, Goshen:

Moses: Take a lamb, kill it, roast it, smear it's blood on the doorposts, and the LORD will pass over that house and not smite you with death of the firstborn.

Rebel-at-Heart: But we are gonna be saved by faith! Quit putting your faith in some 'act of obedience'. Yes, we are commanded to put the blood on the doorposts and the lintel, but that isn't going to save anyone, and if anyone FAILS TO DO IT THEY WILL BE OKAY!

Needless to say, 'Rebel-at-Heart' is on his way to the lake of fire, along with everyone who bothered listening to him.

Esaias · #17 11-08-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Paul that wrote whosoever calls upon the name of The Lord shall be saved...

Which should be looked at in the context of where he heard that message - Acts 22:16, in a command to be baptised.

Peter also preached the exact same thing - 'for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'. So people asked 'what shall we do?' in response, and for their answer he told them to 'repent and be baptised... in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins'. The Bible joins them together, unbelievers and Naaman's of today separate them.

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Paul that wrote that he came not to baptize...

IE he came not to make converts, but to preach the gospel. His mission was to 'be a light', if nobody ever converted he still would have fulfilled his calling. Interestingly though, all those people who said that to, were all baptised...