No Doctors Doctrine? - Page 2

Praxeas · #11 11-23-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I've had apostolics refuse Tylenol and basic stuff like that for religious reasons. I've had apostolics tell me they stopped taking their prescribed meds for religious reasons. All this was over 10 years ago in some of the most rural poor and backward areas you'll find. These people lived about 45 mins of straight highway driving to even get to a Walmart if that says anything.

Sounds like it has nothing to do with being Apostolic and more to do with being backwards socially.

Its the same argument with Muslims beating wives or honor killings. Most of them are about being backwards than being Muslim.

Ironically Seekers anti Apostolic rants mimicked nearly identically his anti Islamic rants. Its called guilt by association

Most of us seem to have no experience with it as Apostolics and have only heard internet rumors that it even exists

Rose · #12 11-23-2013, 08:18 PM

No, I haven't but if ACA continues down the current road we may all face the 'No Doctors Doctrine'. ��

crakjak · #13 11-23-2013, 08:20 PM

Didn't Tom Barnes teach trusting God for healing rather than going to the doctor? Worked for him, lived to a ripe old age.

Use of doctors and medicine is greatly abused in our culture, the human body has much greater ability to heal itself than many give it credit. Matter fact, much of the bodies natural healing ability is destroyed by medicines today.
But if you break a leg, get injured in a car wreck, hopefully a trauma center is close by, medical science does a great job of saving lives.

Most threatens to our health is self imposed by unhealthy habits, in diet and activity. Lose that extra 40 lbs and you will be amazed at how healthy you suddenly are. Not with crazy diets, that don't work, only make you fatter. Get the old book, "Fit for Life" eat the menus in it for two years, and I guarantee you'll feel 10-15 years younger and stronger.

Most people eat garbage, nutrition wise, and expect doctors to fit all their health problems with medicine. Doctors treat the symptoms, that cause side effects, then treat the side effects, all to try to keep folks alive, but it is a losing battle, due to diet and activity!!!

We all know it is true, we just have so much emotional issues we don't have the ability to do what we know.

I am trying, and somewhat succeeding in doing something about it, lost 30 lbs over three years kept 20 of it off, working on another 20. When I follow the "Fit for Life" plan it is easy...and I fill satisfied.

Real Realism · #14 11-23-2013, 08:35 PM

Never heard it preached or taught in any of the six churches I've attended in six states.

I did know a diabetic minister who stupidly went off his insulin after some false prophet claimed his healing. That didn't last long.

Praxeas · #15 11-23-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Didn't Tom Barnes teach trusting God for healing rather than going to the doctor? Worked for him, lived to a ripe old age.

Use of doctors and medicine is greatly abused in our culture, the human body has much greater ability to heal itself than many give it credit. Matter fact, much of the bodies natural healing ability is destroyed by medicines today.
But if you break a leg, get injured in a car wreck, hopefully a trauma center is close by, medical science does a great job of saving lives.

Most threatens to our health is self imposed by unhealthy habits, in diet and activity. Lose that extra 40 lbs and you will be amazed at how healthy you suddenly are. Not with crazy diets, that don't work, only make you fatter. Get the old book, "Fit for Life" eat the menus in it for two years, and I guarantee you'll feel 10-15 years younger and stronger.

Most people eat garbage, nutrition wise, and expect doctors to fit all their health problems with medicine. Doctors treat the symptoms, that cause side effects, then treat the side effects, all to try to keep folks alive, but it is a losing battle, due to diet and activity!!!

We all know it is true, we just have so much emotional issues we don't have the ability to do what we know.

I am trying, and somewhat succeeding in doing something about it, lost 30 lbs over three years kept 20 of it off, working on another 20. When I follow the "Fit for Life" plan it is easy...and I fill satisfied.

No I dont believe he did. Infact he regularly visited people in hospitals

crakjak · #16 11-23-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No I dont believe he did. Infact he regularly visited people in hospitals

Yes, he visited folks in the hospitals, because he prayed for them, he believed deeply in divine healing. Not just in word, but in deed.
I don't believe he preached against doctors, he simply preached divine healing, and he practiced what he preached.

bishoph · #17 11-23-2013, 10:11 PM

I personally knew one man who taught the "no doctor" doctrine, in fact his wife died at home, the result of a fall (had fractured pelvis and impacted bowel...died from impacted bowel...extremely horrific way to die) and even he relented and tried to get her to go to the doctor.....she refused because of his past teaching. **He did NOT suggest that it was wrong to take a child to the doctor** What he did teach was to get prayer first and then IF God did not heal, get the medical help the child needed. They saw many miracle healings as a result of their faith/God first belief.

I have known of others, even some who post on this forum.....however NONE of them would ever endanger/abuse a child.

Praxeas · #18 11-23-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Yes, he visited folks in the hospitals, because he prayed for them, he believed deeply in divine healing. Not just in word, but in deed.
I don't believe he preached against doctors, he simply preached divine healing, and he practiced what he preached.

So then you are agreeing with me?

MissBrattified · #19 11-23-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Wondering how widespread the teaching AGAINST doctors and medical assistance for children really is.

Do you know of an Apostolic/Pentecostal church within 50 miles of your home where the pastor teaches for the members to refrain from using medical assistance for themselves and their children to the point of death or being disfellowshipped?

No names are needed.

I don't know of any in this area that do teach that or who have ever taught that. There were two situations of which I was personally aware: my own experience at the age of 2, and an adult pastor's daughter who refused medical treatment after childbirth and died a few days later. That occurred over 18 years ago, and I haven't heard of anything similar since in the Apostolic ranks.

Amanah · #20 11-23-2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I personally knew one man who taught the "no doctor" doctrine, in fact his wife died at home, the result of a fall (had fractured pelvis and impacted bowel...died from impacted bowel...extremely horrific way to die) and even he relented and tried to get her to go to the doctor.....she refused because of his past teaching. **He did NOT suggest that it was wrong to take a child to the doctor** What he did teach was to get prayer first and then IF God did not heal, get the medical help the child needed. They saw many miracle healings as a result of their faith/God first belief.

I have known of others, even some who post on this forum.....however NONE of them would ever endanger/abuse a child.

This is what my previous pastor preached, trust God for healing, but if you don't have the faith to the healed, then see a Doctor.

My former pastor also told me of a preachers wife that died of breast cancer because she was trusting God for healing. This was rare. Certainly not the norm for apostolics.

I suspect that if I didn't go for regular cancer screenings, and had not had breast cancer detected early, I might be dead.