Thailand Oneness

[pilgram]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

Just for the sake of clarity what exactly do the terms "PIM", "PCI", "Zionists" and "Scofield-believers" mean in your post?

If the "Scofield-believers" refers to C.I. Scofield of the Scofield bible fame I have researched the subject and he was a Freemason Anglican-Catholic infiltrator who was one of the biggest deceivers of the pre-trib movement in the 19th century. The Scofield bible was funded by the Freemasons. From at least the late 1860's after the Civil War when Scofield linked up in Kansas with Mason John J. Ingalls (from a prominent Jewish family in New England) who got Scofield accepted into the Lotos Club (Masionic group) in New York City to his death in 1921 on Long Island NY he was a dedicated Mason who did their bidding to destroy the Protestant movement that sought to expose the Vatican/Jesuits.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield for individuals/groups cited.

[commonsense]

Glad to hear the good report for Thailand.


{We've lived in our neighborhood close to 18 years. In the last few years nearly every home sold has been to a Thai family. Just an interesting trend.}

[Sabby]

Michael,

Another issue the FMB had with Br Nigh was the German nationals were growing facial hair. His position, which he iterated to the Foreign Mission's Board was that he was not called to Americanize new believers. He did not require German men to be clean shaven. The Board believed he should teach them otherwise. He took as much heat over facial hair than anything else

Whether Nigh's teaching is preterist or not, it in no way justifies the way he was treated. It is probably closer to being partial-preterist/historicist in nature. What part of what Jesus said is not clear? He said, "NO MAN KNOWS". No matter what scriptures from the epistles or Revelation you cobble together, they do not over ride or supercede the Lord's words. He said very plainly, "NO MAN KNOWS". All scripture is given by inspiration of God and there is NO GREATER authority in the written word than the words of the Lord Jesus Himself. He said, "NO MAN KNOWS".

[renee819]

Originally Posted by pilgram

Just for the sake of clarity what exactly do the terms "PIM", "PCI", "Zionists" and "Scofield-believers" mean in your post?

If the "Scofield-believers" refers to C.I. Scofield of the Scofield bible fame I have researched the subject and he was a Freemason Anglican-Catholic infiltrator who was one of the biggest deceivers of the pre-trib movement in the 19th century. The Scofield bible was funded by the Freemasons. From at least the late 1860's after the Civil War when Scofield linked up in Kansas with Mason John J. Ingalls (from a prominent Jewish family in New England) who got Scofield accepted into the Lotos Club (Masionic group) in New York City to his death in 1921 on Long Island NY he was a dedicated Mason who did their bidding to destroy the Protestant movement that sought to expose the Vatican/Jesuits.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield for individuals/groups cited.

Good research, Pilgrim. Didn't Scofield also have a hand in publishing the McDonald dream of the Rapture?

[pilgram]

Thank you sister. Yes, that is correct.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Michael,

Another issue the FMB had with Br Nigh was the German nationals were growing facial hair. His position, which he iterated to the Foreign Mission's Board was that he was not called to Americanize new believers. He did not require German men to be clean shaven. The Board believed he should teach them otherwise. He took as much heat over facial hair than anything else

Whether Nigh's teaching is preterist or not, it in no way justifies the way he was treated. It is probably closer to being partial-preterist/historicist in nature. What part of what Jesus said is not clear? He said, "NO MAN KNOWS". No matter what scriptures from the epistles or Revelation you cobble together, they do not over ride or supercede the Lord's words. He said very plainly, "NO MAN KNOWS". All scripture is given by inspiration of God and there is NO GREATER authority in the written word than the words of the Lord Jesus Himself. He said, "NO MAN KNOWS".

Sabby, him being a PCI 1-stepper did not help his case.

[Sabby]

In the UPCI, a PIM was a Partner In Missions, someone that pledged financially to support the missionary while on the field. Most PIM support came from local churches although some came from individuals.

The two church organizations that merged to become the "United" Pentecostal Church were the PCI (Pentecostal Church International) and the PAJC (Pentecostal Assemby of Jesus Christ). The PCI taught preached Oneness and Acts 2:38, but differed from the PAJC in their interpretation of baptism. They did not (by and large) teach that the act of baptism was salvational, but done out of obedience to the command to be baptized providing a good conscience towards God. The PCI was more missions oriented than their PAJC brethren.

AZionist is one that believes that the nation of Israel (the Jewish race) is God's chosen people and teach that the temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt AND that God will return to them to be their personal God during the end times. Zionists believe the church is an interim Bride (a parenthetical church on an end-times timeline) for God until the arrival of the "end of the age" and the Jews are once again restored as God's own. This, in spite of the words of our Lord Jesus speaking of the Jews fulfilling the role of prophet murderers.

Scofield? You've done some research on it.

[pilgram]

Thank you for taking time to explain those terms. I included the Scofield term as well because you wrote "Scofield-believers" and I wanted to be sure it was the same individual since I knew I was going to include my research on C. I. Scofield in my post. It's surprising to me that many UPC/Apostolic folks still believe that heresy.

[Sabby]

Goat, you are absolutely right, but gives his comment about swimming among sharks some context. Once upon a time (at the merger) the PAJC contingent of the UPCI could fellowship this difference of opinion for the name of Jesus and the cause of missions. Did I say missions?
It is no surprise that by 1980 the majority of UPC PIM-supported foreign missionaries were graduates of Conqueror's Bible College. The reason? Most leaned PCI, were more tolerant of how to interpret Acts 2:38 and preached Jesus Christ and the grace of God, thus more suited to the mission field.

"God didn't call me to Americanize the Germans, but to disciple them to Jesus Christ" N. Wayne Nigh

[Michael The Disciple]

Whether Nigh's teaching is preterist or not, it in no way justifies the way he was treated. It is probably closer to being partial-preterist/historicist in nature. What part of what Jesus said is not clear? He said, "NO MAN KNOWS". No matter what scriptures from the epistles or Revelation you cobble together, they do not over ride or supercede the Lord's words. He said very plainly, "NO MAN KNOWS". All scripture is given by inspiration of God and there is NO GREATER authority in the written word than the words of the Lord Jesus Himself. He said, "NO MAN KNOWS".

Note the error presented here. Not saying its deliberate but nonetheless error. This is what happens when men don't rightly divide the word of truth.

Where is the NO MAN KNOWS scripture located?

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt 24:37

So does anyone consider the CONTEXT? What day is Yeshua Christ talking about?

Let us examine the full context.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt. 24:29-36

Is it not obvious the DAY Christ is referring to? Just read BACK from verse 36 to verse 31.

Volia! There is THE DAY Yeshua was talking about! Its not such a great mystery after all to those who have read the Lords words in Matthew and notice their CONTEXT.

The day of which no man knows is AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Again read the CONTEXT!

Yeshua taught no one will know the day or the hour of HIS POST TRIBULATION COMING!

No one will know the day or the hour BUT we know when it will NOT BE! It will NOT be until after the tribulation Christ spoke about a mere FIVE VERSES from the one that says OF THAT DAY........the day in verses 30-31.

The day of Christs coming and gathering together his elect!

So correction has been given. The full context has been shown.

Bottom line. No one will know the day or hour of Christs coming. We do know that day will NOT happen until the end of the great tribulation.