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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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(fatty......I resemble that statement....lol)
Paul tells us that there is ONE spirit and many gifts of that one spirit. He also says that there is ONE manifestation of that spirit that is given to ALL. If the THE spirit is the spirit of Christ/God then the believers in Acts 8 did not receive HIM until the Apostles laid hands on them. vs16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
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Lol auto correct at work there. Where did Paul say tongues is the one manifestation of being filled with the Spirit?
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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Lol auto correct at work there. Where did Paul say tongues is the one manifestation of being filled with the Spirit?
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I did not say that Paul said tongues was THE manifestation.....he did however say there was ONE manifestation. What IYO is that one manifestation? (IMO if the Apostles identified tongues as the manifestation ( Acts 10)....that's pretty solid for me)
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11-29-2013, 10:23 AM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
Can you post scripture you referring to?
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11-29-2013, 11:04 AM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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Lol auto correct at work there. Where did Paul say tongues is the one manifestation of being filled with the Spirit?
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Truthseeker, I don't believe he said it in those words, but when he asked the Ephesians, "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?"
And then he prayed for them and they spoke in other tongues, I believe that says it. Acts 19
If you will go to the last page of " The Evolution of the Spirit" , if you don't want to read the whole discussion, that might answer some of your questions. Maybe the last 2 pages.
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11-29-2013, 11:08 AM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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Can you post scripture you referring to?
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1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal
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11-29-2013, 11:16 AM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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Truthseeker, I don't believe he said it in those words, but when he asked the Ephesians, "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?"
And then he prayed for them and they spoke in other tongues, I believe that says it. Acts 19
If you will go to the last page of " The Evolution of the Spirit" , if you don't want to read the whole discussion, that might answer some of your questions. Maybe the last 2 pages. |
Right, anyone receiving the Holy Ghost will speak with tongues.
The thread is about those in acts who seemed to believe and accepted by that belief in Christ.
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal
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8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
it seems context dictates that the manifestation of the spirit comes as many things like words of wisdom and words of knowledge and faith and gifts of healing.
Lol at your cherry picking and leaving out all context...
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
it seems context dictates that the manifestation of the spirit comes as many things like words of wisdom and words of knowledge and faith and gifts of healing.
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Does appear that way.
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11-29-2013, 12:09 PM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
Yet it seems context dictates that the manifestation of the spirit comes as many things like words of wisdom and words of knowledge and faith and gifts of healing.
Lol at your cherry picking and leaving out all context...
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Wrong again my friend........surely you understand that from verses 4-6 he is speaking of gifts, in verse 7 he speaks of THE manifestation of the THE Spirit (from which all other gifts come) it is clear that he continues talking about gifts of the Spirit in verse 8. Word of Wisdom, and Word of Knowledge are both gifts of THE Spirit. Again he did not say manifestationS he simply said THE manifestation. (Context along with rules of grammar make a difference)
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11-29-2013, 12:36 PM
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Re: Tongues at conversion vs faith???
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How do you answer them that say tongues is not required for conversion, them pointing out scriptures in acts that seems to imply faith alone saves?
Such as:
Acts 18:8 KJV
And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
Nothing mentions them speaking in tongues or Paul instructing further about conversion. |
It also says nothing about them repenting nor of receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And both repentance and the Spirit are part of salvation. There isn't a redundancy of Acts 2:38 in each and every instance of conversion in the book of Acts but just because it was not written over and over again does not mean it did not happen. They all taught the same foundational principles. Heb 6:1-2
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