Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

In keeping with the thread (although, I understand what MTD is trying to do..lol), JW's have not believed on the LORD Jesus Christ, so nope, they're not one steppers.

What about the devils? They believe.

[TGBTG]

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1.7?lang=eng

The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Chapter 1
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be apunished for their bown sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all bmankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be acalled of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of chands by those who are in dauthority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the fordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same aorganization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of btongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has arevealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet breveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will dreign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be erenewed and receive its paradisiacal gglory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own cconscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them dworship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

Aren't these folks 3 steppers then? what makes them not saved?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

What about the devils? They believe.

Ok, for clarification, one stepper means REPENTANCE & FAITH towards the Lord JESUS Christ.

Have the devils repented and put their faith in Jesus Christ?

The devils believe there is ONE God, because they know so.
Have they subjected WILIINGLY to his Lordship ergo one step?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

They don't believe in the gift of tongues like we do either. They believe that if u can learn more then one language then u have the gift of tongues

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/tongues-gift-of

.Tongues, Gift of
See also Gifts of the Spirit; Tongue

A gift of the Holy Ghost that allows inspired individuals to speak in, understand, or interpret unfamiliar languages. We believe in the gift of tongues (A of F 1:7).

They were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues:Acts 2:4;

He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but to God:1 Cor. 14:1–5, 27–28;

Tongues are for a sign to them that believe not:1 Cor. 14:22–28;

Then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels:2 Ne. 31:13–14;

Amaleki exhorted all men to believe in the gift of speaking with tongues:Omni 1:25;

It is given to some to speak with tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues&C 46:24–25; ( 1 Cor. 12:10; Moro. 10:8, 15–16; )

Let the gift of tongues be poured out&C 109:36;

[Jason B]

Interesting stuff TGBTG.......

Looks like Mormons are a lot closer to 3 step apostolic than I realized. Is a merger on the horizon?

[n david]

If you actually talk to a Mormon about it, they don't believe how an Apostolic believes in tongues. Their writings don't match their actual beliefs. My area is FILLED with Mormons. There are two large Mormon Temples within 10 miles both south and west of where we live, along with a Mormon church on just about every street corner. They come to our neighborhood all the time, and I've asked many of them if they've experienced or believe in speaking in tongues. Most of them just stare at me like I'm speaking Chinese. Several have said they believe in a gift of tongues -- that being when a Missionary is able to learn a foreign language.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

In keeping with the thread (although, I understand what MTD is trying to do..lol), JW's have not believed on the LORD Jesus Christ, so nope, they're not one steppers.

Why do you say they have not believed in the Lord Jesus Christ? They themselves claim he is the Son of God and they believe God raised him from the dead.

So according to that understanding why are THEY not saved?

[Michael The Disciple]

No one steppers want to defend the one step? From what I can tell it seems Jehovah Witnesses are more "Christian" than the Evangelicals. They (JW) take the word of God far more seriously.

Evangelical one step Trinitarians basically give a license to sin and go on with their life. JW's actually teach discipleship.

Why give Trins a pass while excluding JW?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

On the basis of the 3 step doctrine, Mormons believe in repentance, water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues.

Do you consider mormons saved??

Originally Posted by n david

No. And they believe in the gift of tongues, not in the Acts 2:38 experience.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any Mormon church where people are speaking in tongues.

As far as I know they don't practice these things. They simply refer back to some writings years ago that claims some "prophet" spoke in tongues.

Of course you'd want a prophet to have experienced gifts

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

What about the devils? They believe.

They believe there is One God. They don't believe ON the Lord Jesus Christ.