Facade & Pharisees in the church

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Within a few months after I joined AFF, I realized that many of the people I most enjoyed reading the posts of were people I would never have fellowshipped with in person because of their lower standards or because they didn't attend 'a good church' (meaning an ultra conservative Apostolic church). I allso realized that I enjoyed their posts because they were much kinder and more respectful than those I'd judged 'right' by appearances. It was an eye opening, thought provoking, and life changing revelation. I hope the same for you.

When you can look past someone's outward appearance, it is amazing how loudly the heart can speak through their words and actions. It is an eyeopener to realize that you cannot always judge the book by the cover that you've been accustomed to doing, but when you begin to look at the fruit in their lives, as the Lord Jesus told us too... that is a much better measuring stick.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Within a few months after I joined AFF, I realized that many of the people I most enjoyed reading the posts of were people I would never have fellowshipped with in person because of their lower standards or because they didn't attend 'a good church' (meaning an ultra conservative Apostolic church). I allso realized that I enjoyed their posts because they were much kinder and more respectful than those I'd judged 'right' by appearances. It was an eye opening, thought provoking, and life changing revelation. I hope the same for you.

I've had the same experience.

[votivesoul]

We are commanded not to keep company with fornicators. No communion/fellowship is allowed. Fornication, from the Greek word porne means sexual immorality of any sort. Homosexuality, as an aberrant sexuality, is illicit and immoral. There is wisdom in not spending time with people "in church" who are actively living such a lifestyle.

They already stand condemned. Having a youth leader separate some young people from them isn't wrong.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

We are commanded not to keep company with fornicators. No communion/fellowship is allowed. Fornication, from the Greek word porne means sexual immorality of any sort. Homosexuality, as an aberrant sexuality, is illicit and immoral. There is wisdom in not spending time with people "in church" who are actively living such a lifestyle.

They already stand condemned. Having a youth leader separate some young people from them isn't wrong.

I agree with your premise, but to counter... one must be careful to not judge someone as a "fruitcake" just because you've heard it from someone else. Sometimes gossip can spread like wildfire, and not have a bit of truth to it.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree with your premise, but to counter... one must be careful to not judge someone as a "fruitcake" just because you've heard it from someone else. Sometimes gossip can spread like wildfire, and not have a bit of truth to it.

True, I wouldn't go out of my way to make too many presumptions. But things like this are often well-known in the fellowship, and are discernible through the Holy Spirit, and too often are allowed for the sake of I'm not sure what.

There is grace, "...and such were some of you...", but notice the past tense. It shouldn't still be so. Nevertheless, having not been there, we can only guess as to the validity of the claim made against the young people.

[MissBlogger201]

I do understand completely. And it's true sometimes it is allowed. It's just sometimes young people or young adults don't figure things out for themselves they always rely on others to tell them what to do and where to go. We should know how to ourselves already.

[MissBlogger201]

Yes and I did mention that in the post, but they were not and they were as spirit filled as the next person.

[MissBlogger201]

It is when the other young people were not homosexual. And there is no need to put that title on someone who merely wants to style their hair a certain way. Or wear certain clothes (yes the clothes were modest and acceptable) and this certain person had a prejudice against them.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like like I simply just wanted to get it out there for the simple fact that it is wrong to do that to people when they are NOT "fruit cakes" and wrong to separate people from others that are not doing anything wrong and they have been in church their whole lives as well.

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

We are commanded not to keep company with fornicators. No communion/fellowship is allowed. Fornication, from the Greek word porne means sexual immorality of any sort. Homosexuality, as an aberrant sexuality, is illicit and immoral. There is wisdom in not spending time with people "in church" who are actively living such a lifestyle.

They already stand condemned. Having a youth leader separate some young people from them isn't wrong.

Then I guess Jesus would be in big, big trouble, because he sat and ate with tax collectors and other notorious sinners. (Mark 2:15-17, Matthew 9:10-12, Luke 5:29-31)

15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

That Jesus! He really offended the Pharisees!

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

Then I guess Jesus would be in big, big trouble, because he sat and ate with tax collectors and other notorious sinners. (Mark 2:15-17, Matthew 9:10-12, Luke 5:29-31)



That Jesus! He really offended the Pharisees!

Haven't read 1 Corinthians 5 recently, I presume? Note what I said. I said "in church".

I didn't say out of church, for then, as Paul wrote, we would have to leave the world entirely.