Oneness Questions

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1. Natures don't pray or do anything for that matter. Persons do things. Persons are the "Actors (those who perform actions)" in our world. A nature just defines what kind of "Actor (which set of actions a particular actor can perform)" we are discussing. If I say a person with a human nature what I really mean is a person that can perform human actions.

So when you say Jesus in his human nature prayed to his divine nature, you still have the person Jesus praying to himself. Perhaps what you really mean when you said human nature prayed to divine nature is that it's perfectly okay for a single person with 2 distinct natures to pray to himself. This just doesn't sound as good because when you say the human nature prayed to the divine nature it sounds like you are denying the fact that your Jesus prays to himself. But, in oneness view he must pray to himself and there's nothing inherently wrong about that since Jesus is a very unique person having 2 distinct natures.

Jfrog are you oneness or trinitarian?

[Light]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

On the cross Jesus (the man) spoke to his Father (his divinity) .

1Co 15:27    For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)

The man Jesus was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Luke

Jfrog are you oneness or trinitarian?

LOL. Anti would be a better discription.... just say'n

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL. Anti would be a better discription.... just say'n

Lol. I think ferd has me pegged...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Light

1Co 15:27    For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)

The man Jesus was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So Jesus is not god?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bjhs08

Hello all,

I am new to this forum and to Oneness Pentecostalism in general. I am a trinitarian pentecostal, but I have been doing alot of research on Oneness doctrine and am feeling drawn to it. However, I have a few questions for the community here. Please do not take these as an attack or challenge, but as form one seeking more information. Thanks

1) If God and Jesus are one, who was Jesus speaking to on the Cross when he said "Forgive them Father for the know not what they do.", and "My God, why have you foresaken me?"

Jesus was speaking to the Father. Jesus could not feel forsaken by God without first having become one of us, having human feelings and a human psyche

Second, as to whether or not he was really forsaken, I don't believe so. I believe he FELT that way. One needs to understand that Jesus was quoting David verbatim. Why? Was David forsaken?

Some thoughts. David was not forsaken by God. God said "I will never leave nor forsake you"

David felt forsaken because his own son and his own people in large rejected him and persecuted him. Im sure Jesus repeating these words were not lost on those Jewish hearers

2) What about passages that say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father?

Thank you for your help

Oneness teaches Father and Son are distinct in many ways, just not as Persons. They are distinct in how they exist and function. One can even say they are distinct beings in that Jesus has a complete Human nature

Having said that, the "right hand" verses are figurative language that refers to having power or favor, not a literal right hand

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Thank you for saying what the learned here dare not, that todays mainstream oneness teaches that the man/flesh/"human natute" spoke to divinity/"divine nature". I applaud you sir!

His nature did nothing, however His nature affects what he does or can do as it does you and I

[Light]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So Jesus is not god?

The majority of those who call them self oneness are really Jesus only.

If Jesus is the Father (God ) why does he tell us he is the mediator between man and God.

Why did he tell us No man can come to Jesus except the Father draw him.

If Jesus is the Father (God) then he raised himself from the dead.

The apostles did not preach Jesus only.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter preached a message that quickened the hearts of those that heard it. That same message was then preached throughout the book of acts. That message was man killed Jesus and God raised him from the dead.
The same message was preached by Paul.

1Co 15:27    For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus ) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)
1Co 15:28    And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(God) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him,(Jesus ) that God may be all in all.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Light

The majority of those who call them self oneness are really Jesus only.

If Jesus is the Father (God ) why does he tell us he is the mediator between man and God.






(there is one mediator between God and man, the man(HUMAN BEING) Christ Jesus. the mediation came with the shed blood of Christ).







Why did he tell us No man can come to Jesus except the Father draw him.






(Because Jesus was totally human and the Father would have to draw mankind to His begotten (human) son. Jesus had NO personal power to do it himself.)






If Jesus is the Father (God) then he raised himself from the dead.







(When Jesus said "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father in John 14, he went on to clarify his statement that "THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME". Simply put, The Father was "INSIDE" the begotten(human) son. He was the "visible image"(embodiment) of the invisible Father. GOD WAS IN CHRIST, 2 Cor. 5:19)






The apostles did not preach Jesus only.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter preached a message that quickened the hearts of those that heard it. That same message was then preached throughout the book of acts. That message was man killed Jesus and God raised him from the dead.
The same message was preached by Paul.

1Co 15:27    For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus ) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)
1Co 15:28    And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(God) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him,(Jesus ) that God may be all in all.

(The universal message of the gospel was not God and Jesus, But GOD IN JESUS...That is oneness...GOD (IN) JESUS)

[Light]

Originally Posted by Sean

(The universal message of the gospel was not God and Jesus, But GOD IN JESUS...That is oneness...GOD (IN) JESUS)

The spirit of God was and is not in Jesus just as it is not ( in ) you or me. The Spirit of God came upon Jesus just as it comes to those that obey his word.

Luk 1:35    And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 3:22    And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Joh 1:33    And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:34    And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.


Mat 12:17    That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Mat 12:18    Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Act 2:3    And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Please answer Pauls teaching.
1Co 15:24   
Then cometh the end when he (Jesus)shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Co 15:25    For he (Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his (Jesus) feet.

1Co 15:26    The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


1Co 15:27    For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus ) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)

1Co 15:28    And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(God) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him,(Jesus ) that God may be all in all.