This Makes #2 on the List, REALLY???

[Reader]

I did not judge you. I have commented in reply to your postings. I have not spoken of your character or person. I have said nothing against you personally.

If a person states they believe in traditional marriage (I do, by the way), why must that translate into judging people in your mind? Why should I be judged because I believe that?

N David shared something in another discussion (I forget which), that clearly showed he believed in traditional marriage and yet he did not treat the homosexuals he encountered with anything but love.

With your comment about loving Jesus, we also need to keep in mind that Jesus spoke & stood openly against sin. Having the love of Jesus also includes this.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

It's just....do you ever tire of judging/and being judged by what you or other's are against.

It didn't say they were against anything. It simply stated they believe in traditional marriage. What's wrong with that? Should we not say what we believe anymore?

Unfortunately, due to recent lawsuits and court rulings, churches have been advised to update their bylaws to clearly state their belief in traditional, biblical marriage and that the church will not provide same sex marriages or other gay celebrations.

I think it's absurd to have to do so, but such is the times we live in.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Reader

I did not judge you. I have commented in reply to your postings. I have not spoken of your character or person. I have said nothing against you personally.

If a person states they believe in traditional marriage (I do, by the way), why must that translate into judging people in your mind? Why should I be judged because I believe that?

N David shared something in another discussion (I forget which), that clearly showed he believed in traditional marriage and yet he did not treat the homosexuals he encountered with anything but love.

With your comment about loving Jesus, we also need to keep in mind that Jesus spoke & stood openly against sin. Having the love of Jesus also includes this.

I keep getting you and Luke confused as we are all posting in several different threads.

I guess, whereas I think that it's Jesus' place to convict and rebuke someone regarding sin. But I don't know that I believe it's our place to do the same to others. Can you show me anywhere that He told us to do this? All I can think of is Him telling us to worry about our own issues, before dealing with others'

[Luke]

Loving Jesus involves following what He said and He did speak on the topic of homosexual marriage. Everytime He dealt with marriage He clearly limited it to a man and a woman in fact in one place He even specifies that in the beginning God created them male and female and for this cause a man was to leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. That was the standard and definition of marriage that Jesus set forth man and woman and this is the only type that Jesus ever sanctioned.
Also you ought to look at 1corinthians 6:9 and 1timothy 1:10.

[Reader]

I can only show by quoting the Bible where people spoke about sin. But if quoting the Bible will be disregarded because we can't know if what it is speaking about really happened, then how would that help? (See what happens?)

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I keep getting you and Luke confused as we are all posting in several different threads.

I guess, whereas I think that it's Jesus' place to convict and rebuke someone regarding sin. But I don't know that I believe it's our place to do the same to others. Can you show me anywhere that He told us to do this? All I can think of is Him telling us to worry about our own issues, before dealing with others'

It isn't only Jesus' place to convict or rebuke, actually.

Luke 17:3 - "So watch yourselves. If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them." (NIV)

I Timothy 5:20 - "Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

Ephesians 5:11 - "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove/admonish/convict them."

[Luke]

I don't recall make a personal judgment against you in any thread. As to judging Jesus said in John to judge a righteous judgment. We are told that we will know people by their fruits. Paul tells us that we will judge angels therefore we ought also have the ability to judge between brothers. In Isaiah we read that we are cry aloud and spare not and to show people God's their sin and iniquity. In Hosea it is said that we are teach the difference between the holy and the profane. In Hebrews Noah is listed among the champions of faith for being a preacher of righteousness (preaching against sin). The list could go on and on. It is a misconception to say that warning of sin by pointing it out is not love. Would it be love to walk past a burning house and not warn those sleeping inside of the danger because it would cause them discomfort and jolt them from their rest and slumber?

[Reader]

But, Pressing & Luke, we only know that those things were written as being said, but we do not know if Jesus or Paul actually said any of them. See http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46176 (Continuing the devil's advocate thought)

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Luke

I don't recall make a personal judgment against you in any thread. As to judging Jesus said in John to judge a righteous judgment. We are told that we will know people by their fruits. Paul tells us that we will judge angels therefore we ought also have the ability to judge between brothers. In Isaiah we read that we are cry aloud and spare not and to show people God's their sin and iniquity. In Hosea it is said that we are teach the difference between the holy and the profane. In Hebrews Noah is listed among the champions of faith for being a preacher of righteousness (preaching against sin). The list could go on and on. It is a misconception to say that warning of sin by pointing it out is not love. Would it be love to walk past a burning house and not warn those sleeping inside of the danger because it would cause them discomfort and jolt them from their rest and slumber?

I don't know where that "don't judge me" mantra started. It is being used a lot in the media.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Reader

But, Pressing & Luke, we only know that those things were written as being said, but we do not know if Jesus or Paul actually said any of them. See http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46176 (Continuing the devil's advocate thought)

Be nice. lol